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How can anyone think that a slow torpedo plane was more effective than a fast torpedo plane? The TBD had to go in slow because the US torpedos could not be dropped if the plane was going fast. They also could not be dropped from very high off the water. The Japanese torpedo could be dropped both from higher off the water and at higher speeds. The TBDs were slow while carrying a torpedo because of drag but so was the Stringbag. The Kate and later the Avenger were much faster which helped them get into position to launch when the targets were maneuvering to avoid them. The longer it took for the VT to get into position to drop the torpedo, the longer the VT was exposed to AA and fighter interference. The String bag might be doing 90-100 mph when delivering the torpedo since clean it could only do 138 mph. The TBD could do around 206 mph clean at best altitude but cruised with a torpedo at around 115 knots and it had to driop the torpedo at around 105 mph. Most of the TBDs at Midway never dropped their torpedos because the Zekes or AA got them first. Going in slow does not help accuracy if your torpedo is designed to be dropped at high speeds and from high altitude (relatively.)
The Japanese aerial torpedoes used at PH, Coral Sea and Midway could be launched at speeds up to 260 knots. The String bag or TBD couldn't go that fast with a torpedo aboard with a tailwind and in a dive.
The USN could and did use the same tactic of approaching at higher altitudes and then diving to the altitude to deliver the torpedo. However one disadvantage of that tactic which the Swordfish seldom encountered was that if the enemy CAP caught the VTs at higher altitudes they were much more vulnerable to VF attack than if they were down next to the water. of course the American torpedoes could not be dropped at high speeds. Amazing that the RN had good torpedoes and not very good ship board AC ( until they got American ones) I believe the RN CVs deployed to the PTO in 1945 ( against the USN's wishes) mostly carried TBMs or Fs as their VTs.
However it is also not quite true that the RN preferred US types over British types, is not true. In the ETO, the fleet carriers once they converted to a day strike force, prefrerred the firefly, barracuda and corsair as their main strike aircraft. In the PTO they did use the Avenger, but not as a torpedo bomber. by the time the BPF deployed to the PTO, the Avenger was being used almost exclusively as a level bomber.
The USN could and did use the same tactic of approaching at higher altitudes and then diving to the altitude to deliver the torpedo. However one disadvantage of that tactic which the Swordfish seldom encountered was that if the enemy CAP caught the VTs at higher altitudes they were much more vulnerable to VF attack than if they were down next to the water. of course the American torpedoes could not be dropped at high speeds. Amazing that the RN had good torpedoes and not very good ship board AC ( until they got American ones) I believe the RN CVs deployed to the PTO in 1945 ( against the USN's wishes) mostly carried TBMs or Fs as their VTs.
"Somewhere in Scotland a British FAA pilot dived me for nearly two miles, at an angle near 75degs and a speed of about 385 mph, as my final observing lesson in torpedo bombing..." http://books.google.ca/books?id=p-2...r_esc=y#v=onepage&q=fleet air arm 385&f=false
It is therefore recommended that as soon as certain modifications are incorporated in the bomb bay of the SB2C type (probably SB2C-5) which permit carrying of 1-2000lb bomb and improved torpedo bracing that all TBF type planes be replaced with SB2C type. This plane can then do all that the TBF can, safer and faster except for carrying a large number of small bombs or excess personnel....
Enterprise (CV-6) Action Report - 31 October 1944 - Page 40 - WWII Archives
True for most types, but not the swordfish. Swordfish got 1/3 of their torpedoes launched into the bismarck, in the dead of night and to boot, in conditions that few other aircraft could fly. neither was this an isolated incident. literally tens of thousands of tons of Axis shipping was sunk by swordfish operating at night.During WWII that means being able to take off, navigate and land in the dark with a reasonable chance of success. ASV, H2S, etc. might put you in the ball park but it's not accurate enough to put bombs on a moving ship (or even an anchored ship).
WWII era night maritime attacks were normally conducted using parachute flares. That's standard WWI era technology which any aircraft could employ. Just as the RN did at Taranto and the Luftwaffe did at Bari.
The USN VTs didn't use the same tactics, because they couldn't, as neither the TBD or TBF, was stressed for diving bombing. All RN VTs from the Swordfish onward were fully stressed for divebombing
And the VNE of these aircraft with a bombload are?The Swordfish and Albacore could approach or exceed, 200 knots while diving to make a torpedo attack.
True for most types, but not the swordfish. Swordfish got 1/3 of their torpedoes launched into the bismarck, in the dead of night and to boot, in conditions that few other aircraft could fly. neither was this an isolated incident. literally tens of thousands of tons of Axis shipping was sunk by swordfish operating at night.
they often were glide bombing at rather steep angles.
The RN's standard torpedo bomber, by May 1942, was the Albacore, and it was overdue for replacement with the Barracuda.
RN torpedo bomber tactics called for approaching the target at medium altitude, then executing a very steep dive, with the aircraft leveling off at drop altitude, lining up on the target, releasing the torpedo and then evasive maneuvers to avoid flack. There is a very good probability that even a Swordfish would be traveling faster at release than the lumbering TBD, which, by mid 1942 was extremely overweight, and even the newest aircraft were about 3 years old.
The RN Mk XII torpedo was progressively strengthened to allow drops at up to 270 knots. The Mk XV which was introduced in 42-43 started life with 250-270 knot drop speeds.
The B-18 was used as an AWS plaform and it served well sinking several submarines. Operationally there was nothing wrong with the aircraft, by WW2 it was just obsolete.B-18 was pretty bad, so bad it almost never made it into aerial combat.
The B-18 was used as an AWS plaform and it served well sinking several submarines. Operationally there was nothing wrong with the aircraft, by WW2 it was just obsolete.
.This had nothing to do with the aircraft. The Swordfish had no special ability that would enable it to fly at night any better than any other naval aircraft of the period. This was an OPERATOR choice (kudos to the airmen who flew them) and excluding the use of radar
During my younger days I've driven faster then a Stringbag on a torpedo run. Learn something new every day. 8)