WW1 The great War: the eBay finds

Snautzer01 · Jan 27, 2021

#LB Commercial 35mm Slide-Photo- Vintage WWI Airplane- Trainer- France | eBay

tyrodtom · Jan 28, 2021

Snautzer01 said:
#LB Commercial 35mm Slide-Photo- Vintage WWI Airplane- Trainer- France | eBay

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I wonder how well that would work ?
Both ailerons are up at the same time .

cammerjeff · Jan 28, 2021

That may be one of the not quite flyable trainers used to give a trainee pilot a "feel" for the controls with all the danger of actually flying.

tyrodtom · Jan 28, 2021

cammerjeff said:
That may be one of the not quite flyable trainers used to give a trainee pilot a "feel" for the controls with all the danger of actually flying.

I've heard of the penguins , is this one of them ?
I imagined them as having a lot less wingspread, but I guess with a small enough engine you can never have enough wing area.

Snautzer01 · Jan 29, 2021

Foto, Seeflieger, Flugzeug, Flandern, MG, Jasta, aus Fotoalbum | eBay

Wurger · Jan 29, 2021

cammerjeff · Jan 29, 2021

tyrodtom said:
I've heard of the penguins , is this one of them ?
I imagined them as having a lot less wingspread, but I guess with a small enough engine you can never have enough wing area.

You may be correct, it may be a flyable A/C. The Penguins pictures I could find on line all seem to have less wingspan than this one. (some seem to be older aircraft with a large portion of the wings removed) At least the purpose built Breese Penguins have less wing & no fabric on the fuselage behind the pilot.

So I have no Idea what A/C is in the post #261. The national insignia dates the picture as June 1917 or later. I think it actually has the slightly smaller red center dot that would date it to August 1919 or later. But I am not positive of that. Either way it is a nice Photo of a rarely seen subject.

tyrodtom · Jan 29, 2021

By the French system of flight training, they had 2 different degrees of penguins, one that would just get light on the landing gear, and another that could get a few feet off the ground on a good day.
The French changed their methods several times during the war.
The USAS, or what ever the American air service was called, adopted the French method of early flight training in France,
I don't know how long, or widespread that method was.

Dana Bell · Jan 29, 2021

Snautzer01 said:
#LB Commercial 35mm Slide-Photo- Vintage WWI Airplane- Trainer- France | eBay

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I'm pretty sure this is an Albree Pigeon Fraser Scout

Cheers,

Dana

cammerjeff · Jan 29, 2021

I think you nailed it. I think the lack of a movable elevator nails it down. The Albree Pigeon Fraser Scout used a hinged aft fuselage to act as an elevator. So not a Penguin but Pigeon!

That is a type I was not aware of. Nice!

Source Unknown author or not provided - U.S. National Archives and Records Administration, Public Domain, File:Pigeon-Fraser Scout NARA 55163955.jpg - Wikimedia Commons