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Wouldn't the inefficiency of the fluid drive for the supercharger explain much of the difference between the DB601 and the Allied engines?Why the DB601A did not manage an even lower sfc I do not know - theoretically it should be slightly better (maybe ~.44 lbs/BHP-hr) due to the difference in CR, and possibly even better due to the use of fuel injection.
There is a crap load of other stuff.Wouldn't the inefficiency of the fluid drive for the supercharger explain much of the difference between the DB601 and the Allied engines?
Wouldn't the inefficiency of the fluid drive for the supercharger explain much of the difference between the DB601 and the Allied engines?
When at cruise rpm/altitude, those engines with geared drive should be set so the throttle is wide open - so the supercharger isn't fighting the carb. While the DB fluid drive was very efficient, it can't match geared drive.
The fluid coupling does ensure the supercharger isn't fighting a closed throttle (below critical altitude) at full power. So, even if it is slightly less efficient drive the increased supercharger efficiency more than makes up for it. Engineering trade offs....
Your bullet point two I think you mixed up, almost all aero engines were four stroke, the only two stroke I know was the RR Crecy.I've read that there were a number of innovations in engine design during the pre-war and war period relating to engine efficiency. Does anyone know if these are true?
While there are no comprehensive fuel economy charts for aero engines, if you could find an engine that had most of the features listed above, you'd probably have the most efficient engine, although that's only if what I've read is true. I doubt direct injection engines were any more efficient due to more primitive timing control of the era.
- Four valve engines were significantly more efficient than two valve engines. I think some inline engines were four valve but no radials.
- Four stroke engines were more fuel efficient than two stroke. (I don't know of any four-stroke aero engines.)
- Long stroke engines are more fuel efficient than short stroke.
- Fuel injection is supposedly more efficient than carb (but the timings are difficult to get right without electronics).
- Large cylinders
- Low RPMs
Efficient for fuel economy is different than efficient for power. Unless we are comparing fuel economy at full or nearly full throttle?Four valve engines were significantly more efficient than two valve engines. I think some inline engines were four valve but no radials.
True the difference is minor since very few engines were short stroke. Longer stroke than bore was the normal.Long stroke engines are more fuel efficient than short stroke.
Fuel injection was more efficient than carbs, but in cruising it was under 10% so????Fuel injection is supposedly more efficient than carb (but the timings are difficult to get right without electronics).
things get confusing here. Big cylinders are harder to fill with mixture. But at cruise you are not filling the cylinders anyway.Large cylinders
Most aircraft engines used in WW II operated max rpm at between 2100-2200 to 3000rpm, a few oddballs aside (Napier Sabre was one) with cruise in proportion.Low RPMs
I've read that there were a number of innovations in engine design during the pre-war and war period relating to engine efficiency. Does anyone know if these are true?
- Four valve engines were significantly more efficient than two valve engines. I think some inline engines were four valve but no radials.
- Four
If one of them is flying in Auto-Ritch, High RPMs, and low Manifold Pressure, and the other following the manual - Auto-Lean, Low RPMs, and High Manifold Pressure, that's the most likely outcome.You want to add confusion - 2 identical P-38s fly the same mission, so same hp/hr - one uses 100s of gallons less fuel than the other.
So, the pilot/flight engineer has huge impact on aero engine fuel consumption.
If one of them is flying in Auto-Ritch, High RPMs, and low Manifold Pressure, and the other following the manual - Auto-Lean, Low RPMs, and High Manifold Pressure, that's the most likely outcome.
Perhaps a good start - a table from the manual for the 603A:But I wouldn't know how to find the 603's fuel consumption for cruise.
Fuel injection is supposedly more efficient than carb (but the timings are difficult to get right without electronics).
We have to believe the advertising departments and that 9 out of 11 engines (and the 'best' engine never flew) had identical fuel consumption.From "Principles of aircraft propulsion machinery" by Israel Katz.View attachment 787242