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The Merlin 12 is NOT an early Merlin 45. It is a Merlin III using water/glycol instead of pure glycol as coolant and using a slightly higher supercharger gear on the Merlin III supercharger.
First part is true but then every other two speed engine in the world had to be throttled back to change gears too, didn't they? The 45 CANNOT be run flat out from take-off. It can be run at 2850rpm at 9lb boost after take-off which is the same as the Merlin 12 or the Merlin XX.
How much of the 200lb installed weight is the engine, how much is the "extra length" and how much is the change in the cooling system from pure glycol to the water/glycol mix and any changes in the radiators? How much of the extra length is the two speed drive and how much is the extra length of the new intake elbow on the Hooker designed supercharger used on both the XX and the 45?
Lets make sure we are comparing apples to apples. Some planes fitted with the Merlin XX (like the Defiant) had to have bigger radiators installed to handle the extra power and that is before they pushed the boost up to 16lbs. Didn't Spitfires with Merlin 45s get bigger oil coolers than Spitfires with Merlin IIIs ?
Another thing, the Merlin 60 series was designed for high altitude bombers. It was Hives who suggested that it be put in the Spitfire. I wonder if he would have been so enthused about sticking it in the Hurricane?
Even without hindsight, it was therefore, easy to make a case for a much more rapid expansion of RAF FC, and the most logical fighter to be mass produced was the easy to build, easy to repair, and easy to fly, Hurricane.
It's interesting to consider the performance of the Hurricane IIc with a Merlin 60.
It's interesting to consider the performance of the Hurricane IIc with a Merlin 60.
With a Merlin XX, FTH at 9lb boost was about 21000ft for a TAS of 330mph and an IAS of 246 with ~1100hp (actually a bit less). A Merlin 60 would give ~1100 at ~30,000ft which should give about ~390 mph TAS. The Merlin 62 gave 1390hp at ~25000ft with 15lb boost so it should push the Hurricane II close to 370-390 mph. Maybe someone else can look at these figures.
The relative performance of the 109 and Hurricane is irrelevant.
The whole premise for this thread is that the UK decides not to build the Spitfire but to instead use the funds and factory space to build more Hurricanes.
I never said it was, but the point is that it is an improved single stage engine, that would have boosted Hurricane I climb rates and performance.
Having to throttle back will hurt performance during some specific operations, such as a climb to altitude to intercept or during pursuit/evasion - it most certainly is a disadvantage. Of course the 45 can be run flat out if the situation warrants it! In any event even during full throttle climbs at 9lb boost the XX must be throttled back while the 45 doesn't.
It is difficult to make exact comparisons as aircraft naturally added weight due to increases in protection and other areas, but certainly the 45 doesn't have the clutch and two speed drive.
The two speed supercharger will give more power just about up until time the change gears. This means a better climb rate for 4-5 minutes before the gear change, how long does the gear change take? can the single speed plane catch up while the 2 speed plane is shifting? or in the last 1000ft or so before the shift? a some point after the shift the 2 speed is again making more power.
So do the two authors I quoted. no-one is above questionng, and there is no definitive answer to this problem, because the records many of the records kept for this period were destroyed. Thats what makes the problem difficult to unravel
Who said anything about nonsesne, except yourself.
The problem with this, is that there werent 27 to shoot down. Thats a bit of a problem with that account.
I should say the same for you, you should read the accounts ivereferenced before dismissing them
It is difficult to make exact comparisons as aircraft naturally added weight due to increases in protection and other areas, but certainly the 45 doesn't have the clutch and two speed drive. If someone has more info on this, I'd certainly like to see it. A comparison of the late model Spitfire IIa and early Va would be interesting.
Which as, has been explained several times, was not an historical or theoretical option.
Hurricane was top notch when it first flew in 35 and the Spitfire prototype was a bit slower than original thought. Also the early marks of Bf 109 were underpowered and underarmed so the Hurricane was certainly no slouch.
2, 000 bhp fighters were over the horizon so why waste resources on another 1, 000 bhp fighter?
Also plenty of schools of though on the advantage of turret fighters and twins like the Whirlwind which promised maximum firepower and plenty of performance.
Also Spitfire was slow to get into production and difficult to build so why bother?
Also Spitfire wasnt rugged, short range and couldnt carry a heavy ground attack load. All minus points.
So one could argue putting Spitfire in production was not the most obvious thing to do. Based on 1930s thinking.
I've always believed the Hurricane was one of the most underrated fighters of WW2. I think it "might" have been able to fulfill the role of the Spitfire, but very hard pressed with a lot higher casualty rate. I don't see much more "stretch" evolving from the basic design.
As far as the Spitfire being difficult to build - I think it should be examined as harder to build when compared to the Hurricane. The Spitfire had some unique manufacturing characteristics, but nothing that could be conquered in time by skilled workers, so this claim of the Spitfire being difficult to build is a bit stretched. You want to see a difficult aircraft to build - look at the P-38.