Zvezda Yakovlev Yak-3 of Lt. col B.N. Yeryomin 1/72
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fubar57
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Agreed. I go nuts trying to deal with 1:48 detail part
Joe Mendez
Airman
Why does the Camo seem off Color ,and runny do you have pics of the original aircraft ,can't find any camo seems too runny and not the right shade , Can't find any pics on that aircraft ,did find the one at Camarillo and I have seen it in person and couldn't distinguish the camo demarcation between the 2 colors ,I was also Told it was a Restoration so the colors and scheme could be wrong altogether cannot find any war pics of Soviet Yaks with that Camo scheme ,
Joe Mendez
Airman
The Camo on top of the main wing looks washy not defined ,look at the pics I posted ,and I can't find any ww2 pics of that aircraft ,now there are the first 2 pics of the Aircraft at Camarillo which appears to be similar ,but even on that the Camo is Defined ,but I was told by the Museum staff it was a restoration , any way just my opinion as people have opinions on my models ,Cheers
I see. The main problem is that's the Yak-3 was exhibited in the USA and was repainted. However the question is when she came to the USA. If it was after the war it is possible the plane wore the camo that consited of the AMT-12 or AMT-11 colour only. Undobtedly the war time Yeryomi's Yak-3 was wearing the two-tone grey camouflage at tops. Also the inscriptions were of another layout. Here are pics with the pilot seen while visiting the museum in the St.Monica. Unfortunately both pics are a crap copies from papers or magazines so it is quite difficult to notice if there were the two colours at tops. I have quite large one of the first shot and can't be sure as well.
As I have mentioned the post war soviet Yaks got the camo of one colour only. Here are two images of Yak-3s of the 1st GIAP taken in 1947/1948. Although we couldn't be sure fully but it seems that both planes wore the solid "uniform"
What is more .. here are two shots of late war Yak-3s with camo. Please notice that the demarcation line between the two grey colours is almost not seen because of the softening due to the airbrushing. Both shots are believed to be taken in 1946.
Here is an enlarged image of the Yak-3 White 10 . The camo spots can be noticed on the fuselage especially at the Red Star area.Also the dark spot is at the fin and rudder top.
And here an enlarged pic of her exibited at the museum. Please note that the camo of the plane in the museum is very worn and the entire plane seems to be dirty and dusty. And no wonder the colours look quite strange.
As I have mentioned the post war soviet Yaks got the camo of one colour only. Here are two images of Yak-3s of the 1st GIAP taken in 1947/1948. Although we couldn't be sure fully but it seems that both planes wore the solid "uniform"
What is more .. here are two shots of late war Yak-3s with camo. Please notice that the demarcation line between the two grey colours is almost not seen because of the softening due to the airbrushing. Both shots are believed to be taken in 1946.
Here is an enlarged image of the Yak-3 White 10 . The camo spots can be noticed on the fuselage especially at the Red Star area.Also the dark spot is at the fin and rudder top.
And here an enlarged pic of her exibited at the museum. Please note that the camo of the plane in the museum is very worn and the entire plane seems to be dirty and dusty. And no wonder the colours look quite strange.
Crimea_River
Marshal
I think the model looks good. I don't get the "washy" description.
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Wow, how many emotions ...
I will answer in order:
first, about camouflage: It is impossible to use museum, restored, machines as a model
Here's a photo of the original
Here is the scheme and order regulating camouflage
I want to draw your attention to the fact that this scheme was of a recommendatory nature, and not an orderly character. That is, there were possible various variations both at the factory and during the repair.
Secondly, with regard to the colors AMT-7 / AMT-11 / AMT-12, which stained the prototype model.
Here is a painting, in the annex to one of the guidelines for the coloring of Soviet aircraft
Taken on one of the reputable resources.
I painted my model with AKAN acrylic paints, which are very popular in Russia, because of their rather exact correspondence to the original of the Soviet color palette.
Now, as for the plane Yeremin.
As far as I know, there were at least two aircraft (possibly repainted) with the inscription "От Ферапонта Головатого" ("From Ferapont Golovaty")
first:
And the second:
They are distinguished by writing a dedication and the presence on the second plane of the inscription "2 с-т ******".
In my model I tried to picture the first plane.
I will answer in order:
first, about camouflage: It is impossible to use museum, restored, machines as a model
Here's a photo of the original
Here is the scheme and order regulating camouflage
I want to draw your attention to the fact that this scheme was of a recommendatory nature, and not an orderly character. That is, there were possible various variations both at the factory and during the repair.
Secondly, with regard to the colors AMT-7 / AMT-11 / AMT-12, which stained the prototype model.
Here is a painting, in the annex to one of the guidelines for the coloring of Soviet aircraft
Taken on one of the reputable resources.
I painted my model with AKAN acrylic paints, which are very popular in Russia, because of their rather exact correspondence to the original of the Soviet color palette.
Now, as for the plane Yeremin.
As far as I know, there were at least two aircraft (possibly repainted) with the inscription "От Ферапонта Головатого" ("From Ferapont Golovaty")
first:
And the second:
They are distinguished by writing a dedication and the presence on the second plane of the inscription "2 с-т ******".
In my model I tried to picture the first plane.
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No. Here is a photo from the Air and Space Museum in Le Bourget
It looks like the first number was "21".
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Crimea_River
Marshal
Me too. I think you did a fine job.
Joe Mendez
Airman
TAE Again there are no WW2 Pics of the Aircraft Showing the Top Wing ,Emotion no just giving my Opinion as you did on my Model which I still am not convinced ,,so I gave you my opinion on this you have not convinced me ,until we see the top wing section from WW2 not museum aircraft ,you gave your opinion I gave mine we'll leave it at that Gentlemen until a clear WW2 pic surfaces ,cheers
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Have you read my previous post? I'm sorry, but what kind of museum is this?
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Joe Mendez, I realized that it's not in my model, but in my comment about your La-5. If you do not believe me, read here: La-5FN of V.I. Popkov
Gentelmen , please don't start the quarrel. There is really no need to behavour in the way that may lead to unwanted effects.
Actually I agree with Tae1976 that the red stars at the wing tops weren't applied. All pics of La-5s being used at the period of time show the planes that didn't have them. This may be taken for granted it was the rule for VVS markings. In the particular case the lack of pics showing the red stars on wing tops isn't the reason for getting angry because of pointing that.. However, the Joe Mendez's model is done now and must be left as it is. In my opinion it looks very nice though.
Also I understand Joe Mendez's doubt about the camo. Unfortunately the Yak-3 seen at the museum isn't a good example of the VVS camo used for late war time. What is more the fundation inscription isn't correct for the war time plane flown by Eryomin. The doubt appeared because the museum in St.Monica exhibited a Yak-3 plane obtained it not from Russia but from France. It is very possible the Yak-3 got the french post-war camo and had to be repainted in the USA. So how it was done we don't know and can assume only there could be mistakes. Fortunately there are images of the plane used at war and there is no doubt the two-tone camo at tops was applied.
To sum up, Mates. There is no need to make mountains out of molehills. Please go ahead and keep posting pics of your models that all look great.
Actually I agree with Tae1976 that the red stars at the wing tops weren't applied. All pics of La-5s being used at the period of time show the planes that didn't have them. This may be taken for granted it was the rule for VVS markings. In the particular case the lack of pics showing the red stars on wing tops isn't the reason for getting angry because of pointing that.. However, the Joe Mendez's model is done now and must be left as it is. In my opinion it looks very nice though.
Also I understand Joe Mendez's doubt about the camo. Unfortunately the Yak-3 seen at the museum isn't a good example of the VVS camo used for late war time. What is more the fundation inscription isn't correct for the war time plane flown by Eryomin. The doubt appeared because the museum in St.Monica exhibited a Yak-3 plane obtained it not from Russia but from France. It is very possible the Yak-3 got the french post-war camo and had to be repainted in the USA. So how it was done we don't know and can assume only there could be mistakes. Fortunately there are images of the plane used at war and there is no doubt the two-tone camo at tops was applied.
To sum up, Mates. There is no need to make mountains out of molehills. Please go ahead and keep posting pics of your models that all look great.
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Totally agree with you. More models of good and different!
Joe Mendez
Airman
Guys C'mon There is NO QUARREL , He gave his Opinion on my Model ,I thought he was a Troll to be Honest ,Because He just Gave an opinion that came off negative ,as he did not point out all of the work I did to bring the model to par ,and just focused on what may be a mistake ,un-like Wurger when he made his opinion on my Mig 17 ,I did not take it as a Troll comment because he acknowledged that the work on the model was what it was ,and I already knew that the original Mig-17 did not have a Polished Nose Ring ,and my underside paint is actually blue ,I looked at many Pics of Polish Mig 17's before I mixed the Colors.
I Run 4 Pages on Facebook and am a Member of over 100 Model Pages from all over The world ,and I run a Youtube Channel,There are alot of trolls on those pages That Do Not Build anything but Love to attack Modellers especially the beginners ,and The Trolls don't have any models of their own,so I dislike that alot,and always Challenge Trolls to show their work if they are gonna attack /Loan a seemingly Negative opinion on someone else's work,TAE that is the way your Opinion Came off to me as you did not say anything ,Nice model ,good try ,ect. and I don't need that but that is the way your opinion came off and I let it go for a couple of days but as I thought about it ,that's when I said ,yes you might be correct ,I am Going to do more research on it ,as there are some WW2 Soviet Pilots on a couple of Facebook Pages dedicated to that Soviet Armament and Weapons and I will get to the Bottom of it Myself ,They have Tons of Personal pics.
Your Opinion Dully Noted ,Mine still Stands ,it's my Opinion That's All ,NO QUARREL Gentlemen this is Modelling ,supposed to be Fun Remember Good evening Gentlemen
I Run 4 Pages on Facebook and am a Member of over 100 Model Pages from all over The world ,and I run a Youtube Channel,There are alot of trolls on those pages That Do Not Build anything but Love to attack Modellers especially the beginners ,and The Trolls don't have any models of their own,so I dislike that alot,and always Challenge Trolls to show their work if they are gonna attack /Loan a seemingly Negative opinion on someone else's work,TAE that is the way your Opinion Came off to me as you did not say anything ,Nice model ,good try ,ect. and I don't need that but that is the way your opinion came off and I let it go for a couple of days but as I thought about it ,that's when I said ,yes you might be correct ,I am Going to do more research on it ,as there are some WW2 Soviet Pilots on a couple of Facebook Pages dedicated to that Soviet Armament and Weapons and I will get to the Bottom of it Myself ,They have Tons of Personal pics.
Your Opinion Dully Noted ,Mine still Stands ,it's my Opinion That's All ,NO QUARREL Gentlemen this is Modelling ,supposed to be Fun Remember Good evening Gentlemen
