1943: pro-german riots in Sweden
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Actually I haven't heard of a such newspaper published in the USSR during the war. IMHO, the one should be titled "На страже Родины". To be honest, it means exactly the same what the " На страже Отечества". It is one of the oldest newspapers issued in the Russia. I haven't found a such title on the soviet war newspapers list. So it could be just for the game only. The "На страже Родины" newspaper looked in 1943 like that one below ... here the four consecutive numers of the newspaper ( 95,96,97,98) released on 24th ,25th ,27th and 28th April 1943. As you may notice the newspaper wasn't issued on the 26th April 1943.
the source: 1943
Regarding the riots ... why they would do that if the Sweden was pre-German at least until the mid of the 1943 ? No reasan for that I think.
the source: 1943
Regarding the riots ... why they would do that if the Sweden was pre-German at least until the mid of the 1943 ? No reasan for that I think.
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Thanks for the reply. I believe that the "newspaper" of the simulator is an invention aimed at the game. However, it is likely, and I find historical confirmation for all the other news (e.g. see attached date of the launch of the aircraft carrier Intrepid). My question, therefore, was precisely about the veracity of the news on the pro-German uprisings in Sweden; everything I find now concerning Sweden during the Second World War seems to indicate an aversion of the people and the Swedish government of the time against Nazism. If the news were true, however, it would reveal sympathies, at least popular, towards Germany at the time.
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I see. Regarding the Nazism and the Swedish sympathies , I would say these were just the same like in other countries. Many people were pro and many anti.. People are people but Governemnts and politics are the the other side of the coin. In the summer of the 1943 Sweden Government started introducing limits to the help, trading, traffic in the air and at see, etc ... for the Germany. But I don't think it would be the reason for rioting although there could be still a considerable number of sympathetics for the cooperation with Nazis. Especially they could be invaded by the Hitler's troops from Finland and Norway. Anyway , I haven't heard about the riots in Sweden for the reason. IMHO
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Going by memory, there were actually a few occasions when riots broke out in Sweden between pro-nazi and anti-nazi groups.
The one such occasion that I recall, was early 1945, in Uppsala.
One of these confrontations may be the basis of the newspaper graphic in the sim.
The one such occasion that I recall, was early 1945, in Uppsala.
One of these confrontations may be the basis of the newspaper graphic in the sim.
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Thank you! Now I have confirmation that there are historical bases for this event as well. Wurger outlined the possible reasons for this.
ThomasP
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There were demonstrations and occasional violent confrontations between pro-German groups and anti-German/pro-communism groups during the war. Whether what is referred to in the 1943 constituted a riot or not may be the question. As GrauGeist mentioned above there was a rather large confrontation at the end of the war in Europe.
My grandmother's sister's husband was from Sweden, and he made the comment several times that his relatives still in Sweden during the war were upset/angry with the pro-German movement. I do not know if his relatives were actually pro-communism, but they were definitely pro-socialism.
from Wiki:
"When the war broke out, the former Youth League received a boost. The SNF's activities increased and membership soared. Its vogue proved short-lived, and opposition increased. Demonstrators showed up to its meetings and fighting was common. After a meeting in Uppsala on May 4, 1945, the police were unable to hold the crowds apart and rioting broke out."
My grandmother's sister's husband was from Sweden, and he made the comment several times that his relatives still in Sweden during the war were upset/angry with the pro-German movement. I do not know if his relatives were actually pro-communism, but they were definitely pro-socialism.
from Wiki:
"When the war broke out, the former Youth League received a boost. The SNF's activities increased and membership soared. Its vogue proved short-lived, and opposition increased. Demonstrators showed up to its meetings and fighting was common. After a meeting in Uppsala on May 4, 1945, the police were unable to hold the crowds apart and rioting broke out."
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Also, since that "news" artical appears is English, it's hard to tell the intent of their meaning.
Russian (and most Cyrillic speaking countries) use the same word for riot as they do for disorder or civil disturbance like an unruly crowd.
In the English speaking world, when we hear the word riot, it's usually applied to a major situation where there's massed crowds and civil unrest.
Russian (and most Cyrillic speaking countries) use the same word for riot as they do for disorder or civil disturbance like an unruly crowd.
In the English speaking world, when we hear the word riot, it's usually applied to a major situation where there's massed crowds and civil unrest.
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The Stannum Liberator
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My Great Grandparents who lived in Sweden during the war told stories of how they would be able to hear Hitler's Speeches on the radio and they were very scared of the Germans or Russians Invading. My Great Grandfather was an officer during the war in Scane and Gotland. They didn't like Hitler at least.
