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  1. Udet

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    Victors, lower your voice as the Masters of the Sky speak

    No further comments are necessary.


    P.S. Source of this photo: unknown. It´s been a while since some one e-mailed it to me.
     

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    You have a point However

    1) How many times were they shot down?
    2) Where would their scores have stopped if like Allied pilots they were shot down over hostile teritory the first (and only) time?
    3) How target rich was their skies compared to Allied pilots who were at times under orders not to prosecute a fight but to chase the German planes away?
    4) How many New German pilots were sacrificed because they didn't pass their experiance on to the newbies like the Allied pilots did?

    Their abilities were wasted. If they had trained a new generation of pilots they could have shot down many times what they actually did.

    Had they fought over enemy soil their scores would have been on the order of the Allies highest scorers. They were great but lets not go overboard and compare apples and onions.
     
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    And, of course,

    5) How would they have fared against Francis Gabreski? :)
     
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    Or Richard Bong?
     
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    Or Tom McGuire?
     
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    Or The Lone Ranger.

    Oh, sorry ... wrong post. :oops:
     
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    Damn! Someone beat me to it! :rolleyes:


    ;)
     
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    Or Jonnie Johnson; John Cunningham (at night) or all 4 of the Turtles?
     
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    and how much did they overclaimed? :rolleyes:
     
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    or Tom McLean..........
     
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    Frankly speaking, the German system of awarding the "victories" was significantly fair and just. (especially when comparred to the soviet one :D ). After the war Hartmann's kills were investigated by several Allied commissions and all (or almost all) were confirmed...
     
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    He was a singer, not a pilot! :crazy:

    No wait, thats Don McLean... ;)
     
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    Or Ben Affleck in Gigli.

    "It's turkey time - gobble, gobble."

    Wow - what a film! :lol:
     
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    Update.
     
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    While the Western Allied pilots might have had much more air time, you cannot call them 'hardened veterans'. How much combat experience can one get in 50 sorties?

    BTW, ~ 2/3 of the Experten with 50 and more 'kills' survived the war.
     
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    TOP 3 German Aces

    Erich Hartmann
    Kills 352 all on the eastern front
    First kill Nov. 1942
    KCOSD
    JG 52
    Bf 109

    Gerhard Barkhorn
    Kills 301 all on the eastern front
    120 missions w/o a kill
    KCOS
    JG 52, 6, JV 44
    Bf 109

    Günther Rall
    Kills 272 on the Eastern front
    Kills 3 on the Western front
    KCOS JG 52, 11, 300
    Bf 109

    Most german aces had all of their kills on the eastern front... the russians didn't pose such a threath...
     
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