Ad: This forum contains affiliate links to products on Amazon and eBay. More information in Terms and rules
Even just a two speed Allison would have been a nice asset to have - just look at how much better P-40F performance was over P-40E.
The supercharger itself may have been too small.
The -33 engine in the long nosed P-40s was good for around 1040 hp at several thousand feet below where the Merlin III made 1030hp and the supercharger only had minor changes aside from the supercharger gears. The Merlin XII in the Spitfire II moved that up by about 2,000ft and the Merlin 45 with the Hooker designed/modified inlet Mover that up another few thousand ft.
What the Merlin XX did for the P-40F was to use an even higher gear than the Merlin 45 used (but not by much) and couple it with low gear that allowed a good amount of power for take-off or low altitude flying.
Just putting two gears on a standard Allison supercharger doesn't get you much better performance than the 9.60 gear engines at altitude but it does allow for higher take-off or military powers at low altitude. Merlin XX had around 100hp for take-off over a Merlin 45 at the same boost and RPM because it's low gear didn't take as much power to drive and it heated the intake air less.
100/130 fuel and WEP settings reduced the need for low gears in the superchargers.
The supercharger itself may have been too small.
The -33 engine in the long nosed P-40s was good for around 1040 hp at several thousand feet below where the Merlin III made 1030hp and the supercharger only had minor changes aside from the supercharger gears. The Merlin XII in the Spitfire II moved that up by about 2,000ft and the Merlin 45 with the Hooker designed/modified inlet Mover that up another few thousand ft.
What the Merlin XX did for the P-40F was to use an even higher gear than the Merlin 45 used (but not by much) and couple it with low gear that allowed a good amount of power for take-off or low altitude flying.
Just putting two gears on a standard Allison supercharger doesn't get you much better performance than the 9.60 gear engines at altitude but it does allow for higher take-off or military powers at low altitude. Merlin XX had around 100hp for take-off over a Merlin 45 at the same boost and RPM because it's low gear didn't take as much power to drive and it heated the intake air less.
100/130 fuel and WEP settings reduced the need for low gears in the superchargers.
I don't know if it's so hard to replace a supercharger with a larger one, seems like that was done. But your last comment there while quite interesting seems to contradict the warning in the Allison memo - namely that the 9.60 ratio engines that were coming out (with the higher altitude rating up around 16 or 17,000 ft vs. 12,000 ft for the earlier ones) would not be able to handle the overboosting, at least not to the nice levels they were getting with the V-1710-73.
If you had two gears conceivably you could have your cake and eat it too that way. Two stages ala the Pratt and Whitney engine even more so.
Per wikipedia V-1710-101, -119, and -121 had an "auxiliary supercharger with an aftercooler". Those are in fact two stage engines which gave great performance but they were just developed a year or two too late.
View attachment 548903
This was the engine they put in the doomed P-40Q, (itself just a P-40K with clipped wings, a bubble canopy and the new engine) which probably got cancelled due to a prototype crash (and politics / since War Dept was already fed up with Curtiss by then). They should have just done it a bit earlier, instead of their bizarre designs for the P-46 and P-60.
However I'm not sure if Allison had really figured out how to make a reliable two stage engine.
Per wikipedia V-1710-101, -119, and -121 had an "auxiliary supercharger with an aftercooler". Those are in fact two stage engines which gave great performance but they were just developed a year or two too late.
View attachment 548903
This was the engine they put in the doomed P-40Q, (itself just a P-40K with clipped wings, a bubble canopy and the new engine) which probably got cancelled due to a prototype crash (and politics / since War Dept was already fed up with Curtiss by then). They should have just done it a bit earlier, instead of their bizarre designs for the P-46 and P-60.
However I'm not sure if Allison had really figured out how to make a reliable two stage engine.
Bottom line is that the Q doesn't have any customers for it. The USAAF, RAAF & RAF want the Merlin powered Mustang and the USSR wants the Kingcobra.
I think it was less to do with politics and more to do with the XP-40Q being about 2 years too late. The initial P-40Q flew in June 1943 and the P-40Q2, which had the bubble canopy, followed in December 1943. To put it in context, the prototype P-80 first flew in January 1944. In short, the P-40Q was too late and offered insufficient advantage over current in-service types, at least compared to the emerging jet fighters that were coming down the pike.
I don't disagree with any of that, but I do also think politics (the problems with Curtiss) were real. I also think the P-40Q was on the edge of being accepted for (limited) production in spite of everything, if it weren't the prototype crash(es)
Well the RAF and RAAF were still using a significant quantity of P-40s quite late, so I think they could have used some of the Q, The Aussies and New Zealanders in particular liked P-40s I'm sure they would have welcomed a 420 mph version.
North American could only produce so many Mustangs and Mustangs weren't ideal as fighter-bombers anyway (better for high altitude).
As for the Kingcobra, I think the P-40Q is just a better fighter all around and the Soviets would have liked it, though by the time it was available they already had the La-7, Yak-3 and Yak-9T etc.
Aside from just arriving too late, after Curtiss wasted all that time on the P-46 and P-60 etc.,
They should have just done it a bit earlier, instead of their bizarre designs for the P-46 and P-60.
Would those engines work properly with just an aftercooler or did they need an intercooler too?