Aircrafts flown by Y. Kozhedub ? Need translator... Please

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  1. le_steph40

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    Hello,

    I found somewhere on the web (sorry, I don't remember where it was...) illustrations of aircrafts flown by Y. Kozhedub. Does these illustrations are corrects and proved ?
    I'm sorry cause the picture is big but it's necessary to read the text. I knew "white 75" and "white 27" but not agree with the decorations on the nose, HSU under the cockpit and white propeller spinner, I think it was red from Fall 1944 to the end of the conflict... I think the decarations (and victories) were added in the end of the conflict.
    Here is the picture
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    I'm not agree with the camo scheme of "white 85 and "white 31". For me, it's AMT4/6 and 7 or AMT11/12 and 7.
    I would like to know the translation for these aircraft, anybody to help me pleause ?
    TIA, regards
    Stéph
     
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    #2 Wurger, Apr 10, 2015
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    The caption for the White 85 says...

    "La-5F no.39210385 white 85 of the 3rd Squadron of the 240th IAP , Second Lieutenant Kozhedub I.N., plane mechanic - Sgt. Ivanov V.N. Scored victories 15 nazi planes. Flown by Kozhedub from June to September 1943. Took part in dogfights over Belgorod, Kursk , Kharkiv and Poltava. the plane made by factory no.21. Armament : 2xShVAK cannons."

    The caption for the White 31 ....

    "La-5F no.31 of the commanding officer the 3rd Squadron , Second Lt /Lt, Hero of the Soviet Union , Senior Lieutenant Kozhedub I.N, plane mechanic - Sgt. Ivanov V.N. Scored victories using the aircraft ... 60 niazi planes + 2 together with another pilot + 1 with a group + 1 probably. Flown from September the 1st 1943 to May the 2nd 1944. Perticipated in fighting over Belgorod, Poltava, Kryvyi Rih, Shpola , at crossing area of the southern Bug river, Moldavia and Romania. The plane was assembled in the no.21 factory, powered by M-82F-112 engine.Armament... 2xMP-20 20mm cannons.
     
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    Thanks Wojtek :thumbright:

    Apparently, the story of these aircrafts is a bit exaggerated
    - 15 victories with "white 85" from June to September 1943 seems excessive, it's between 9 10 until late August 1943. AMT11/12 and 7 camo scheme
    - 60 victories with "white 31" from September the 1st 1943 to May the 2nd 1944 seems excessive (impossible) also, it's between 24 25 victories. AMT11/12 and 7 camo scheme

    If I well understood, by deduction:
    - La-5 "White 75", from February the 7th 1943 to June 1943 => No victory.
    - La-5FN "white 92", from September the 1st 1944 to January the 30th 1945 => ~4v (not sure about the victory markings under the cockpit)
    - La-5F "silver or white 14", from May the 2nd 1944 to June the 5th 1944 => ~6v (often described as the future aicraft flown by Evstigneev but his "white 14" was an FN not an F, maybe a retrofit...?)
    - La-5FN "white 45", Jassy (Rumania) when ??? => 2v
    - La-5FN "white 27", from December the 1st 1944 to April the 30th 1945 => ~14v (probably no decoration and red spinner)

    Is it right ? Anybody to comment my comments...... Need advices
    TIA
    Steph
     
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    #4 Wurger, Apr 10, 2015
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    According to the captions in the pic :

    La-5 .... White75 , from 7.02.1943 to June 1943. 2 victories.

    La-5F .... White85, from June to September 1943. Victories like above.

    La-5F .... White 31, from 1.09. 1943 to 2.05.1944. Victories like above.

    La-5F ... Silver/White 14, from 2.05.1944 to 5.06.1944 ( in Romania). 20 victories. Other sources state it was La-5FN.

    La-5FN ... White 92, from 1.09.1944 to 30.01.1945. 15 victories. 48 stars of scored victories under the cockpit.

    La-5FN ... White 45, Romania. 2 victories. The date .. probably from 5.06.1944 to 1.09.1944.

    La-7 ... White 27, from 1.12.1944 to 30.04.1945. Used over Warsaw and Berlin. 41 victories.
     
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    #5 Wurger, Apr 10, 2015
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    As far as the White 85 and 31 camo is concerned... I would say the camo should be AMT-4(A-24m)/AMT-6(A-26m) on tops and AMT-7(A-28m) or AII Light Blue. The AMT-11/AMT-12 or their oil equivalents paints were introduced in the mid of the 1943 , the order no.389/0133. La-5s that had been delivered to units before the 15th July 1943 , weren't repainted. Later La-5/7 planes got the blue-grey/dark grey camo scheme. However the shortage of the paints at the mid of the 1943 could have been the reason for delaying of introducing of the colours.
     
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    Great job there Wojtek!!!
     
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    A BIG THANK YOU Wojtek :thumbright:
     
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