Glider
Major
Probably, but the follow ups, you know: -
M1, the waste and
F35 the cost
Were really poor
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M1, the waste and
F35 the cost
Were really poor
Glider
Major
Oh dear, what a pity, so sad.surprise, surprise !
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin presumed dead after Russia plane crash
The Russian private military company boss was on the passenger list of the jet which came down near Moscow.www.bbc.co.uk
That said you have to feel for the crew.
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
It was a Wagner plane, so I'm assuming, and that's all this is, that the crew were Wagnerites.
manta22
Banned
Is anyone really surprised???
Admiral Beez
Major
60 Minutes ran a piece on the runaway cost of defence projects. Things cost money, but now that there are only a few huge conglomerates running near monopolies to the Pentagon the suppliers charge whatever they want.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uBBAnykHxmg
When you think about it, thirty years ago the US had several competing aircraft firms. For the Lightweight Fighter Program (LWF) that would result in the F-16s that Ukraine desperately wants, five manufacturers – Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Northrop, and Vought – submitted proposals. As an aside, Northrop's submission the VF-17 would become the McDonell Douglas F/A-18. For the F-16's successor, the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, only two were left to submit bids, Lockheed and Boeing (having acquired McDonnell Douglas in 1997). And next year, Lockheed Martin is expected to acquire Boeing - meaning the entire fixed wing air power of the USAF, USN and USMC will be supplied by one single firm. At that point, Lockheed can triple the price of F-35 components, who's going to stop them?
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Greg Boeser
1st Lieutenant
Stripes?
buffnut453
Captain
Apparently Dmitry utkin, Prigozhin's deputy and co-founder of Wagner was also on the plane. Ten bodies have been recovered.
fubar57
General
As much as I hope the dick was aboard, something conclusive needs to be seen
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
One of the articles I read reported that another Wagner plane left Moscow shortly after the one which was lost.
With Utkin a real nazi has finally been eliminated.
Just seen a news flash from a local channel ; from the details that appear from the video, the interrogated specialist (former French Air Force officer) concludes that the plane was downed with a short range missile.
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
Nope, the Pentagon Wars.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I had that thought myself.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
In this case, the window fell with him...
maybe he broke the window on his way out, and the rapid decompression was what brought the plane down?
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
Or, from another angle, the Russians regularly practice the art of clouding the information-space in order to sow uncertainty into narratives. Might allowing Wagnerites or other Russians permit themselves to think Prig is alive serve Putin's aims?
manta22
Banned
Actually, I am surprised by the predictable and ham-fisted manner with which it was done.
Thumpalumpacus
Colonel
Given the events of the last 2 years, I'm not too surprised. He's not the subtle mastermind as was imagined at one time.
