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There seems to be a quality issue with Russian missiles.Russian cruise missile crashes en route to Ukraine
A cruise missile fired from Russian navy ships in the Caspian Sea towards Ukraine Saturday crashed in the Pavlovsky district of Russia's Krasnodar region. Local reports confirm that the missile crashed in the morning, leaving behind a visible impact crater in a field between the Pavlovskaya and...defence-blog.com
I would add though that while I am sure the troops on the ground would love all the air support they can get, I seriously question the survivability of A-10s in that or indeed, any modern war environment. I know that many get all weak at the knees at the mention of the A-10 and it's big gun, but seriously, at sometime it has to be let go. And just one last point re the age: The last A-10 was delivered in 1984, some 40 odd years ago, whereas the F-16s, F-15s etc have been delivered a lot more recently. B-52s...well that's an entirely different story as we all know. Mind you, they would not be useful for Ukraine either now unless firing standoff missiles from afar.Happy to give it to Ukraine. My point was more that the USAF has been trying to offload so that they can better use resources on far more capable platforms like the F-35.
I am curious to see how they use the F-16s given how deadly the environment is for anything airborne.If Ukraine is setting up new logistics chains, the effort should concentrate on keeping as many single engined F-16s as operational as possible. The Su-25 Warthogski is twin engined but that is what Ukraine has (as does Russia). The maintenance crews may be there for twin engine operations but the parts ain't. Those crews, IMO, should be training to maintain whatever we can send Ukraine that can loft a Scalp/Storm Shadow.
Maybe they were junk missiles intended to deplete Ukraine's SAM arsenal or test its capabilities.There seems to be a quality issue with Russian missiles.
The Ukrainian army said that Putin launched 41 missiles today, and only 8 were intercepted. But most of the others failed to hit the target.
Agreed. Tornado GR4s would be nice too.It's a pity the F-111s are all long gone. Some of these would probably be more useful in fast low level strikes than A-10s. Anyone else remember this novel:
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Maybe just water instead of fuel or the fuel drained for BBQ, à la chinoise:Maybe they were junk missiles intended to deplete Ukraine's SAM arsenal or test its capabilities.
True but alas probably not possible. Mind you some Tornado IDS and ECRs from Germany and Italy would be nice and more likelyAgreed. Tornado GR4s would be nice too.
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Given the advances the Ukrainians have made with FPV drones they could probably convert most to remote control and the balance to signal relays and play merry hell with the Russians without risking any rare as rockinghorse droppings pilotsI would add though that while I am sure the troops on the ground would love all the air support they can get, I seriously question the survivability of A-10s in that or indeed, any modern war environment. I know that many get all weak at the knees at the mention of the A-10 and it's big gun, but seriously, at sometime it has to be let go. And just one last point re the age: The last A-10 was delivered in 1984, some 40 odd years ago, whereas the F-16s, F-15s etc have been delivered a lot more recently. B-52s...well that's an entirely different story as we all know. Mind you, they would not be useful for Ukraine either now unless firing standoff missiles from afar.
As has been exhaustively mentioned before, the A-10 was designed exactly for this type of war and associated environment.I would add though that while I am sure the troops on the ground would love all the air support they can get, I seriously question the survivability of A-10s in that or indeed, any modern war environment. I know that many get all weak at the knees at the mention of the A-10 and it's big gun, but seriously, at sometime it has to be let go. And just one last point re the age: The last A-10 was delivered in 1984, some 40 odd years ago, whereas the F-16s, F-15s etc have been delivered a lot more recently. B-52s...well that's an entirely different story as we all know. Mind you, they would not be useful for Ukraine either now unless firing standoff missiles from afar.
In the 70's, when the A-10 was conceived, they factored in the Soviet air defense system (AA as well as coordinated air superiority) when designing it.As far as ground attack aircraft are concerned whether it's A-10, F4 Phantom, F-111 or whatever, the
troops on the ground who become the targets aren't going to be thinking "It's ok, that's an obsolete
________ ". They will be thinking that hell has come to breakfast.
I haven't had the experience of being on the receiving end of this kind of attack but from all the historical
info I have the effect on morale is just as great as the actual ordnance being thrown. This is particularly
pertinent to the current war in Ukraine, as there isn't a lot to suggest that Russian troops are well supplied
with modern equipment to counter such attacks compared to the Ukrainians who have been getting a
lot and using it.
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