"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (12 Viewers)

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Admiral Beez said:
Churchill was the bigger appeaser, IMO. The whole "formal" reason Britain declared war in 1939 was to defend Poland, and yet in 1944-45 Churchill sold out Poland and much of eastern Europe to another dictator, Stalin. In 1938 at Munich, in the name of buying time and avoiding war, Chamberlain thought it prudent to sell out 15 million Czechoslovakians in a territory of about 140,800 km2. In Feb 1945 at Yalta, for the much of the same reasons, Churchill thought it prudent to sell out 45 million Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians and others covering 1.3 million km2 to fifty years of slavery and servitude.

Furthermore, as Chancellor of the Exchequer from 1924 to 1929, Churchill made significant cuts to defense spending, including reductions in the Royal Navy's budget, military aircraft development, and overall military personnel and resources. And yet Chamberlain, whose government led Britain's rearmament, is the great appeaser and Churchill the master victor? I call sus on this.
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It ain't over 'till it's over. There's rumblings within the territory of the former worker's paradise. Georgia seems a bit independent-ey lately. I doubt Chechnya is firmly Russian. Kadyrov keeps dropping in and out of sight.
I think most western countries will be happy to have this invasion just stop and not bother to correct the hell that Putin created.
Unfortunately, we live in interesting times.
 
SaparotRob said:
It ain't over 'till it's over. There's rumblings within the territory of the former worker's paradise. Georgia seems a bit independent-ey lately. I doubt Chechnya is firmly Russian. Kadyrov keeps dropping in and out of sight.
I think most western countries will be happy to have this invasion just stop and not bother to correct the hell that Putin created.
Unfortunately, we live in interesting times.
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I am surprised that the Moldovans and Georgians haven't risen up to expel their Russian-backed rebels and take back their territory, If not now, when?
 
Admiral Beez said:
Putin has done the same, as when the armistice or ceasefire is declared, Russia will be holding over 20% of Ukraine's pre-2014 territory. Let's see who plays the Dictator's complacent, agreeable Churchill this time around.
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Given that Churchill gave a speech in Missouri as early as 1946 warning of an "Iron Curtain", I don't think he was very agreeable to Stalin's aims. There's also his direction of UK ops in Greece in 1944 against Soviet aims there and then. Calling him "complacent" and "agreeable" doesn't seem very accurate. I think "powerless" might be more accurate.

I mean, what would you suggest Churchill do in 1944 to change Poland's fate, given that the Red Army was in possession and the Lublin government was already being installed? You ain't dropping the Red Devils in there.

It could even be argued that FDR (in his senescence, his advisors?) were cowed at Yalta, rather than Churchill and the Brits; the Brits understood the threat and lacked the baseball bat, and the Americans had the smackdown but lacked the insight?
 
GrauGeist said:
Russia's economy is in serious trouble at the moment and declining daily, unlike Soviet Russia after WWII.

Stalin had time to bluster and bullshit the Western nations in order to consolidate his territorial gains.

Putin does not have such a luxury.
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The Soviet economy was in deep kimche after WWII. No more LL providing raw materials or fuel, a bunch of demobbed troops looking for work and swelling the job market, and the only economies willing to trade much with it being dependent on it.
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
The Soviet economy was in deep kimche after WWII. No more LL providing raw materials or fuel, a bunch of demobbed troops looking for work and swelling the job market, and the only economies willing to trade much with it being dependent on it.
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True, but Uncle Joe was intending on exploiting the resources of his newly acquired territories and was willing to commit his workers...err...I mean "the people" to building back the great Soviet idea.

It worked, sorta.
 
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