There are unconfirmed reports that she is sinking. Apparently the crew has abandoned ship.
Please be true, and way to go Ukraine!
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Couple of open source intelligence types reporting the Moskva has stopped all transmissions. This could be because all crew has left the ship, or because its sunk to the bottom of the Black Sea.
At least one report claims to have intercepted Russian radio transmissions from rescue craft a few hours ago, stating the ship had rolled onto its port side and was still on fire.
You think Medvedev was ruling Russia? He was just the mouthpiece for Putin, who was calling the shots. And where were you then? Were you out of diapers yet?Yes and far better risking a military confrontation with a Dimitri Medwedew those days ruling Russia and a totally incapable military
There are unconfirmed reports that she is sinking. Apparently the crew has abandoned ship.
Please be true, and way to go Ukraine!
nah - it was just small accident, probably selfignition - it happen in the navy...Reuters has a statement (via Interfax, a Russian state owned news agency) from Russia's MoD that the Moskva had a fire at sea and suffered an "ammunition detonation" and was "seriously damaged" although all crew had been evacuated. No word on the cause of the ammunition detonation though....
Ukraine claims two hits with Neptunes on Moskva. The same day, Russia says the ship suffered an ammunition detonation. It doesn't take a genius here to draw some conclusions, even though full confirmation on what actually happened will probably remain in the realm of intelligence professionals.
Either way, a fire and ammunition explosion on a 12,500 tonne ship is bad news. If it survived, it looks like it will be out of the fight for a while.
Another expensive embarrassment for Russia.
We do! Pass the popcorn.Sharks with lasers vs dolphins with Ma Deuces. Who wins?
Japanese torpedo boats.nah - it was just small accident, probably selfignition - it happen in the navy...
That's realtime footage, not a simulation.re the video of the Ukrainian tank shooting up the BTRs.
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I am sure that most of the video is a simulation. Possibly some of the last 15 sec or so is not, although the overhead close-up of the burning vehicle is fake.
Your are stretching your goal-posts now to the indefinite, and are now just reiterating my post-reply in regards to your absurd statement that NATO doesn't have politicians. aka isn't runThis is tiresome. They act on behalf of their own government, so their national interests come first. NATO acts based on the requirements of its own members, so NATO's "politicians" are NOT specifically NATO's, but those of member states acting in accordance with the collective wishes and agendas of member states. Call them politicians, call them ambassadors, diplomats, call them what you will, but NATO itself is a gathering of individuals representing the interests of member states. If a member state's agenda was different to the collective wishes of those at a NATO meeting, the NATO stuff comes second, you can guarantee that.
Again, Jagdflieger, just because a NATO member state acts, does NOT necessarily mean it is directly or always linked to NATO
Talk, talk, talk, blah, blah blah, - bring in proof if you want to state something-not just baseless assumptions.You think Medvedev was ruling Russia? He was just the mouthpiece for Putin, who was calling the shots. And where were you then? Were you out of diapers yet?
If you were reading and watching what was going on in the world at the time, it was pretty obvious who was pulling the strings. Your take on it smacks of somebody reading a history book years after the fact.Talk, talk, talk, blah, blah blah, - bring in proof if you want to state something-not just baseless assumptions.
No not at all - besides that you are clearly showing that you are biased towards facts. - and even declaring these to be just my personal views.Irrelevant, no one ever claimed there would be one.
My point simply was you keep throwing around your personal view which in itself has no foundation if anything either. You keep saying others have a lack of understanding on how NATO works, yet you seem to be no different. You post long copy and paste articles or info, highlighting in bold that support your view and glossing over and ignoring other parts that don't support it.
All of you have good points, but its rather obvious that they are clouded by personal opinions based on your personal bias, and in some ways some negativity that is derived from opinions rather than fact.
Make sense comrade?
Russia is claiming that none of the crew were killed. Lets see, two missile hits and an ammunition explosion on a warship with a crew numbered in the many hundreds and no one was killed. Do they expect anyone to believe that?nah - it was just small accident, probably selfignition - it happen in the navy...
Well, no... not really.Russia is claiming that none of the crew were killed. Lets see, two missile hits and an ammunition explosion on a warship with a crew numbered in the many hundreds and no one was killed. Do they expect anyone to believe that?
Now they need to revise that stamp and issue follow-up ones, one with missile strike, another one ablaze and the last one as submarineView attachment 664742
The greatest postage stamp ever!
Ukraine issued a postage stamp commemorating the heroes of Snake Island.
"Russian warship … go f**k yourself!"