RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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Ukraine claims that it sank a logistics ship with a Harpoon anti-ship missile.
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (2 Viewers)
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Admiral Beez
Major
Nothing in the news about this. A lot of reposts on social media, including Twitter though.As of my posting this, Krasnyi Luch ammunition depot is still on fire and blowing up.
The Snake has bitten again. Highly dangerous area for russian ships and aircraft but they try again and again.
ThomasP
Senior Master Sergeant
The video shows 2 missile hits. The 2nd missile comes in at ~0:10.
Wasn't that ship just a tug? If so, two missiles is a lot to spend on it.
True but now the aircraft carrier can't go anywhere since it has no engine coz that was in the tug.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
It was being used as a transport for supplies, munitions and personnel.
Admiral Beez
Major
Let's not accept anything not first confirmed and then reported.
This did not age well. It's better to wait.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Russian boat reportedly sunk while bringing supplies to Black Sea island made famous by Ukrainian guards
A Russian military tugboat carrying a surface-to-air missile launcher to Snake Island in the Black Sea sank after two Ukrainian missiles struck it, Kyiv announced Friday.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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That happens when parts of a message are deliberately removed and sentences taken out of context. I copy whole message for you, with sentence in bold suggesting exactly, that we still need to wait for confirmation.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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New pictures of old incident. Reportedly, pictures of the ship struck by MLRS off Odessa coast on March 7.
defence-blog.com
Russian officials denied that one of its warships was damaged, but new photos confirm that the corvette received numerous shrapnel damage consistent with multiple rocket launchers.
New photos show damaged Russian corvette after Ukrainian forces attack
New photos emerged early Friday on social media showing Russia's Buyan-M-class corvette, reportedly the Velikiy Ustyug, "slightly" damaged in an attack by Ukrainian Forces off the Odesa coast. The images show the Velikiy Ustyug corvette redeploying from the Azov Sea to Caspian for repairs...
Russian officials denied that one of its warships was damaged, but new photos confirm that the corvette received numerous shrapnel damage consistent with multiple rocket launchers.
Snautzer01
Honourably banned
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Dont take it bad Roger. I think most of us do not trust any news of whatever side it comes from. I did see you said it was unconfirmed. Beez is just extra carefull. I do not think it directed to you, just a general thing. Keep on posting.
Then that would make it a very good target of opportunity.
Russian boat reportedly sunk while bringing supplies to Black Sea island made famous by Ukrainian guards
A Russian military tugboat carrying a surface-to-air missile launcher to Snake Island in the Black Sea sank after two Ukrainian missiles struck it, Kyiv announced Friday.www.stripes.com
Interesting.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Regarding other nations pressuring Ukraine to concede territory for peace:
Ukrainians and some of their European neighbors have been afraid that Western powers might press for territorial concessions for the sake of peace.
Scholz reiterated that there is no such intent to dictate anything to Ukrainians, and that only they "can decide what is right in terms of an agreement on a peace which we are unfortunately very, very far away from."
[...]
"We want the atrocities to stop and we want peace," Draghi said. "But Ukraine must defend itself, and it will be Ukraine that chooses the peace it wants."
apnews.com
... and ...
PARIS, June 16 (Reuters) - Ukraine alone should decide whether or not to accept any territorial concessions towards Russia in view of ending the war, French President Emmanuel Macron told TF1 television in an interview as he visited Kyiv.
"This is up to Ukraine to decide," Macron said when asked what concessions, including on its territory, Ukraine should accept, adding: "I think it is our duty to stand by our values, by international law and thus by Ukraine."
www.reuters.com
... and:
WASHINGTON. June 1 (Interfax) - The United States will not pressure Ukraine to make any territorial concessions to Russia, U.S. President Joe Biden said.
"My principle throughout this crisis has been 'Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine'. I will not pressure the Ukrainian government - in private or public - to make any territorial concessions. It would be wrong and contrary to well-settled principles to do so," Biden said in an article published by the New York Times.
So it would seem that for the time being Western arms shipments will not be tied to any demands for Ukraine accepting partial dismemberment.
Ukrainians and some of their European neighbors have been afraid that Western powers might press for territorial concessions for the sake of peace.
Scholz reiterated that there is no such intent to dictate anything to Ukrainians, and that only they "can decide what is right in terms of an agreement on a peace which we are unfortunately very, very far away from."
[...]
"We want the atrocities to stop and we want peace," Draghi said. "But Ukraine must defend itself, and it will be Ukraine that chooses the peace it wants."
Leaders pledge arms and EU path for Ukraine in Kyiv visit
Four European leaders expressed support for Ukraine while meeting in Kyiv with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, vowing to back the country’s candidacy to eventually join the European Union and offering more weapons to fend off Russia’s invasion.
apnews.com
... and ...
PARIS, June 16 (Reuters) - Ukraine alone should decide whether or not to accept any territorial concessions towards Russia in view of ending the war, French President Emmanuel Macron told TF1 television in an interview as he visited Kyiv.
"This is up to Ukraine to decide," Macron said when asked what concessions, including on its territory, Ukraine should accept, adding: "I think it is our duty to stand by our values, by international law and thus by Ukraine."
France's Macron says up to Ukraine to decide on potential territorial concessions
Ukraine alone should decide whether or not to accept any territorial concessions towards Russia in view of ending the war, French President Emmanuel Macron told TF1 television in an interview as he visited Kyiv.
www.reuters.com
... and:
WASHINGTON. June 1 (Interfax) - The United States will not pressure Ukraine to make any territorial concessions to Russia, U.S. President Joe Biden said.
"My principle throughout this crisis has been 'Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine'. I will not pressure the Ukrainian government - in private or public - to make any territorial concessions. It would be wrong and contrary to well-settled principles to do so," Biden said in an article published by the New York Times.
So it would seem that for the time being Western arms shipments will not be tied to any demands for Ukraine accepting partial dismemberment.
Hopefully, they will be carried by UAVs in future.The US is currently working on modifying G/VLLDs for use with Ukrainian laser designated weapons, while keeping the ability to designate for NATO laser designated weapons.
For those not already familiar with the system, this is the laser designator used with the tripod in the man portable version, or while mounted on vehicles like the M113 based FIST vehicles. It can be said that the G/VLLD allows line-of-sight designation to the horizon. Basically, if the object can be clearly seen by the designator user, it can be targeted - including at night using an integrated thermal imaging sight.
Or let them bring more assets and then hit the island with MLRS from several directions. The perfect stationary target for the training.
Probably, the first disclosure of the Ukraine's losses in vehicles and artillery.
"As of today, we have approximately 30 to 40, sometimes up to 50 percent of losses of equipment as a result of active combat. So, we have lost approximately 50 percent. … Approximately 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles have been lost, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems."
About maintenance and repair:
"The equipment doesn't stop being operational because it's used up. It stops being operational because of constant artillery shelling...
For example, the M777 artillery systems are really prone to being damaged by enemy artillery. For every battery of M777, there are six pieces.
After every artillery contact, we have to take two artillery pieces and take them back to the rear to maintain them because some of the subsystems are damaged by shrapnel. This happens every day."
www.nationaldefensemagazine.org
"As of today, we have approximately 30 to 40, sometimes up to 50 percent of losses of equipment as a result of active combat. So, we have lost approximately 50 percent. … Approximately 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles have been lost, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems."
About maintenance and repair:
"The equipment doesn't stop being operational because it's used up. It stops being operational because of constant artillery shelling...
For example, the M777 artillery systems are really prone to being damaged by enemy artillery. For every battery of M777, there are six pieces.
After every artillery contact, we have to take two artillery pieces and take them back to the rear to maintain them because some of the subsystems are damaged by shrapnel. This happens every day."
Ukraine to U.S.Defense Industry: We Need Long-Range, Precision Weapons
Ukraine to U.S. Defense Industry: We Need Long-Range, Precision Weapons
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Ouch.
