"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

SaparotRob · Sep 17, 2022

There is a YouTube video from the AlternateHistoryHub. It is entitled "Did Nato Really "Betray" Russia?" It came out in March so it might be dated. It discusses, in a lighthearted way, NATO expansion. It covers some of the topics raised. I would love to link it but, you know. I would enjoy feedback on it since there is a lot of real knowledge and insight from the Forum members here. Some of you guys might also get a kick out of it.

swampyankee · Sep 17, 2022

SaparotRob said:
There is a YouTube video from the AlternateHistoryHub. It is entitled "Did Nato Really "Betray" Russia?" It came out in March so it might be dated. It discusses, in a lighthearted way, NATO expansion. It covers some of the topics raised. I would love to link it but, you know. I would enjoy feedback on it since there is a lot of real knowledge and insight from the Forum members here. Some of you guys might also get a kick out of it.

The basic concept of NATO "betraying" Russia is nonsensical, as NATO does not have nor did it ever have a position of loyalty or fealty to Russia. It may have been seen as a threat to Russia, but neither Russia nor the USSR have a history of playing nice with neighbors.

SaparotRob · Sep 17, 2022

swampyankee said:
The basic concept of NATO "betraying" Russia is nonsensical, as NATO does not have nor did it ever have a position of loyalty or fealty to Russia. It may have been seen as a threat to Russia, but neither Russia nor the USSR have a history of playing nice with neighbors.

..and that's what the video states.
He agrees with you.

SaparotRob · Sep 17, 2022

SaparotRob said:
..and that's what the video states.

This post is an "oopsie".

wlewisiii · Sep 17, 2022

SaparotRob · Sep 17, 2022

Anyone else seen Lazer Pig's video on what sank Moskva?
Yes, it includes Neptune missiles.

GTX · Sep 17, 2022

SaparotRob said:
Anyone else seen Lazer Pig's video on what sank Moskva?
Yes, it includes Neptune missiles.

An alternate view :

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GTX · Sep 17, 2022

Just a photo:

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Sep 17, 2022

Dimlee said:
There is nothing like that in the genetic code of the citizens of the Russian Federation - the former RSFSR, the republic that had a very small part of its territory occupied and whose civilians suffered much less than those in the other two Soviet republics (nowadays - Belarus and Ukraine) and other countries: Poland, Yugoslavia, China...
Indoctrination is a problem and a source of trouble, not genetics. Shut down the propaganda machine, and in a couple of years, "code" will be clean again. As it was before Putin's gang came into power.

Indoctrination and propaganda seems to be common theme everywhere my friend. It's not limited to Russia.

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Thumpalumpacus · Sep 17, 2022

GrauGeist said:
Let's spin the way-back wheel to April 25th of this year and see what the Russians had to say about things:

Russia warns United States against sending more arms to Ukraine

Russia told the United States to stop sending more arms to Ukraine, warning that large Western deliveries of weapons were inflaming the conflict and would lead to more losses, Moscow's ambassador to Washington said.

www.reuters.com

Oh, it's the same "blah blah blah" about how their attacking a sovereign nation should not be interfered with and that they are the victim in all of this...

How many unfulfilled threats will be made before folks shrug their shoulders and go "Yeah, riiiight"? Mind you, that number's already been surpassed for my money.

I liked Biden's statement yesterday warning against escalation to WMDs.

GTX · Sep 17, 2022

26,000 children unaccounted for: The 'orphans' Ukraine is trying to locate

Ukraine says it dismissed nearly 100,000 children from institutional care. With help from United Nations' child agency UNICEF, it is still trying to reach some 26,000 of them.

www.abc.net.au

GTX · Sep 17, 2022

'The war is winnable': Ukrainians hopeful victory is in sight

Ukrainians are hopeful for victory after a week of massive territorial gains. Many are planning to return home, reconnect with loved ones liberated from occupation, and are setting their sights on the future.

www.abc.net.au

Thumpalumpacus · Sep 17, 2022

GTX said:
'The war is winnable': Ukrainians hopeful victory is in sight

Ukrainians are hopeful for victory after a week of massive territorial gains. Many are planning to return home, reconnect with loved ones liberated from occupation, and are setting their sights on the future.

www.abc.net.au

I've said for a long time that this war is winnable for Ukraine. This offensive has shown that, as well; it has shown that the Ukrainian Army can dish it out as well as take it.

I don't, however, think it means the war will end any time soon. I think the best result from this Russian defeat is that Ukraine will be able to survive the winter solidly and hopefully launch a spring offensive to split the remaining Russian forces with a drive to the southern coast. Even then the Russians will have time to regroup and retrain over the winter, if this pans out.

Even after that, destroying the pockets will take time and blood -- and that's only if that hypothetical offensive is successful.

This war will continue, sadly, for quite some time, barring a major disaster on either side.

Dimlee · Sep 17, 2022

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Indoctrination and propaganda seems to be common theme everywhere my friend. It's not limited to Russia.

Of course, they are.
I do not discuss indoctrination in general, but I comment on just one very specific statement.

Dimlee · Sep 17, 2022

NATO troops are in Ukraine. Once again.
(Subtitles in English).

Dimlee · Sep 17, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
I've said for a long time that this war is winnable for Ukraine. This offensive has shown that, as well; it has shown that the Ukrainian Army can dish it out as well as take it.

I don't, however, think it means the war will end any time soon. I think the best result from this Russian defeat is that Ukraine will be able to survive the winter solidly and hopefully launch a spring offensive to split the remaining Russian forces with a drive to the southern coast. Even then the Russians will have time to regroup and retrain over the winter, if this pans out.

Even after that, destroying the pockets will take time and blood -- and that's only if that hypothetical offensive is successful.

This war will continue, sadly, for quite some time, barring a major disaster on either side.

About winter...
Some of the major battles in the early phase of this war (which began in 2014), took place during the winter of 2014-2015.

Second Battle of Donetsk Airport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Battle of Debaltseve - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Last winter was not very quiet either.

Thumpalumpacus · Sep 17, 2022

Dimlee said:
About winter...
Some of the major battles in the early phase of this war (which began in 2014), took place during the winter of 2014-2015.

Second Battle of Donetsk Airport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Battle of Debaltseve - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Last winter was not very quiet either.

It wasn't good for this last year's offensive, though. It was mild and there was still much mud, one thing that hampered the Russian drive on Kyiv, for example.

If there's a hard freeze lasting some time, sure, decent running. But I'm not sure how well military plans play with dicey weather forecasts.

"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again."

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