buffnut453
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Ukraine war: UN nuclear watchdog to inspect Ukrainian sites
The visit comes after Russian accusations that Kyiv is planning to use so-called dirty bombs.
www.bbc.com
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
It should be noted that no NATO country is required to receive NATO approval for any retaliatory measures. They could choose to forgo NATO approval and go it alone.
I do agree that a dirty bomb almost certainly won't set off any nuclear response. I also think, however, that it could set up conditions for a no-fly zone or other stepping-stone to a full-scale confrontation.
All this Russian talk must be pushing the Ukrainians to drive harder to seal off the Russians in Kherson, so that Russian troops will be trapped in any hypothetical irradiation scenario.
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
7500 (1400 of them tanks) is a lot.
I remember someone made some napkin calculations crossing visually confirmed data with (leaked) actual loses of a Russian battle group (or however Russians call it) and the conclusion was that visually confirmed represented about 70% of real loses. If this estimation still holds, Russians may have lost about 10.000 vehicles including 2000 tanks.
I remember someone made some napkin calculations crossing visually confirmed data with (leaked) actual loses of a Russian battle group (or however Russians call it) and the conclusion was that visually confirmed represented about 70% of real loses. If this estimation still holds, Russians may have lost about 10.000 vehicles including 2000 tanks.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine's nuclear energy operator said Tuesday that Russian forces were performing secret work at Europe's largest nuclear power plant, activity that could shed light on Russia's claims that Kyiv's forces are preparing a "provocation" involving a radioactive device.
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Energoatom, the Ukrainian state enterprise that operates the country's four nuclear power plants, said Russian forces have carried out secret construction work over the last week at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine.
Russian officers controlling the area won't give access to Ukrainian staff running the plant or monitors from the U.N.'s atomic energy watchdog that would allow them to see what they are doing, Energoatom said in a statement issued Tuesday.
Energoatom said it "assumes ... (the Russians) are preparing a terrorist act using nuclear materials and radioactive waste stored at (the plant)." It said there were 174 containers at the plant's dry spent fuel storage facility, each of them containing 24 assemblies of spent nuclear fuel.
"Destruction of these containers as a result of explosion will lead to a radiation accident and radiation contamination of several hundred square kilometers (miles) of the adjacent territory," the company said.
apnews.com
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Energoatom, the Ukrainian state enterprise that operates the country's four nuclear power plants, said Russian forces have carried out secret construction work over the last week at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine.
Russian officers controlling the area won't give access to Ukrainian staff running the plant or monitors from the U.N.'s atomic energy watchdog that would allow them to see what they are doing, Energoatom said in a statement issued Tuesday.
Energoatom said it "assumes ... (the Russians) are preparing a terrorist act using nuclear materials and radioactive waste stored at (the plant)." It said there were 174 containers at the plant's dry spent fuel storage facility, each of them containing 24 assemblies of spent nuclear fuel.
"Destruction of these containers as a result of explosion will lead to a radiation accident and radiation contamination of several hundred square kilometers (miles) of the adjacent territory," the company said.
Ukraine alleges Russian dirty bomb deception at nuke plant
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s nuclear energy operator said Tuesday that Russian forces were performing secret work at Europe's largest nuclear power plant, activity that could shed light on Russia’s claims that Kyiv’s forces are preparing a “provocation” involving a radioactive device.
apnews.com
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
I suppose those Russian dumbasses haven't considered that a "dirty nuke" would create a fallout cloud that'll eventually drift eastward into Russia proper.
Adding to that, Ukraine forces aren't in control of the facility - so a claim that Ukraine caused the explosion would be seen as total bullshit.
Adding to that, Ukraine forces aren't in control of the facility - so a claim that Ukraine caused the explosion would be seen as total bullshit.
buffnut453
Captain
Putin doesn't care. The Russian model is that the people only exist to enable the State. If the State needs to prove its case by setting of a nuclear explosion, then any resultant casualties are simply supporting the State in its actions, and hence are true and noble citizens.
Moscow will simply claim that the explosion resulted from Ukrainian artillery fire (just as they've done for every single Russian weapon that hit a civilian target). I suspect HIMARS would be identified as the system that fired on the facility, hence the US can be brought into the blame game.
Admiral Beez
Major
I doubt that would happen though. Poland was afraid to give over some MiG-29s without everyone's backing, and Germany is still mollycoddling about Leo2 tanks. These are not the sort of nations that would unilaterally attack Russia.
buffnut453
Captain
They won't act unilaterally but they may join a coalition of the willing. Ok, Germany may not but I think Poland would...indeed Poland MUST participate as a key axis for coalition forces and materiel to get into Ukraine.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I liked the HIMARS bit. Nice touch.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
That was still early in the war. We were all a little too cautious then.
special ed
2nd Lieutenant
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- May 13, 2018
One of the links of the past two days had a side bar which said the 2nd brigade of 101st Airborne had been moved to the Romanian border with Ukraine. I have not seen comment by forum members or news media. non sense or fake news?
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I saw that report too.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
I wouldn't be so sure about that part. The reason fallout is so dangerous is because not only is it irradiated, but the nuclear explosion that creates it is sucking in the topsoil, irradiating it, and then hoisting it well into the stratosphere where upper-level winds can scatter it hundreds of miles. A two-thousand-pound bomb simply doesn't have the power to lift that soil very far, so it stays much more localized.
It could still poison a large area, and the storage containers used by the Ukrainians at Zaporizhia could conceivably poison up to 120 square miles (about 11 x 11 miles square), which is of course more than bad enough to have long-term effects.
A much bigger worry, to me, is the preparation of the dam for blowing. That reservoir supplies cooling water to the plant at Zaporizhia, and also supplies electricity to drive its pumps. Losing either or both would likely result in a meltdown if the plant is running active. That's what happened at Fukushima due to the tsunami.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
No, but the US and UK could well do so if they decided to -- not that I think they would, mind you. I think a dirty bomb would result in a no-fly zone, though, which would either end the invasion or spur Russian escalation, which is why it's not been applied yet. Keep in mind that Biden has already warned of catastrophic consequences of Russia setting off a nuke, and Petraeus has already outlined a possible non-nuclear response as well.
It's hard to say what the Western response would be to a simple dirty bomb
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Like Rob, I've read reports too, like this one from Stars & Stripes:
The 101st Airborne Division marked its official arrival in Europe during a ceremony Saturday at a strategic base in Romania, where soldiers were dispatched on a mission aimed at deterring potential aggression on NATO's southeastern flank.
The division's headquarters and its 2nd Brigade Combat Team unfurled colors at Mihail Kogalniceanu Air Base, which will serve as an operational hub for the unit in the months ahead. The positioning of an Army combat brigade in Romania is part of an enhanced military presence along NATO's eastern flank that has taken root in the aftermath of Russia's war on Ukraine.
The 101st’s ‘Screaming Eagles’ take on new Romania mission
RogerdeLluria
Staff Sergeant
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- Jul 5, 2015
Russia's 'dirty bomb' claim is another ploy to spread fear, scare away support for Ukraine - experts | Businessinsider
Putin "knows he can't win on the battlefield and he is in a weak position," John Sipher, a former CIA officer who served in Russia, told Insider.
Russia’s ‘Dirty Bomb’ Gambit
The West warns that Russia may be seeking a pretext to escalate the war.
SaparotRob
Unter Gemeine Geschwader Murmeltier XIII
I wonder what's going through the minds of the Russian troops in Transnistria now, besides vodka.
Russia accused of 'preparing terror attack' at Ukrainian power plant
Ukraine's nuclear energy operator says Russian officials have refused to let Ukrainian staff and UN monitors into the plant, which is in territory controlled by Moscow.
www.abc.net.au
