Arado 234, Heinkel 162 and Horten 229 In Today's Day And Age?

[Lucky13]

What modern engines is there out there today, that could possibly fit these machines without too much work?
These birds keep popping up in my head, every time I see that flying Messerschmitt 262 in the air....would a replica Arado 234, Heinkel 162 and Horten 229 be possible, after their kinks been ironed out?

 

[Snautzer01]

There is a me262 flying.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I always loved the looks of the 234. Sling a couple of J-57s under the wings and get the hell out of the way.

 

[WARSPITER]

Agree with that. One of the best looking planes of the war.

 

[PStickney]

What modern engines is there out there today, that could possibly fit these machines without too much work?
These birds keep popping up in my head, every time I see that flying Messerschmitt 262 in the air....would a replica Arado 234, Heinkel 162 and Horten 229 be possible, after their kinks been ironed out?

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Ar 324, could be done, CJ610s instead of the Jummo 004, BMW 003. You'd be surprised at how small it is.
He 162 - Why bother? I've got the logs for every flight that the French Squadron that briefly flew them postwar made - longest flight time, about 23 minutes. That ugly beast is a Fuel Emergency sitting on the ramp with the fuel truck next to it. Add in the Fred Flintstone systems, and no redundancy, Nah.
Ho-9 / Gotha 229 - Eh - Only 2 flights, last one crashed during a single-engine landing. Again, all sorts of Primitive inside. We actually don't have a fully intact example to check out - the recovered -229 at the Smithsonian is actually at least 2 aircraft - the wings won't mate with the fuselage.

 

[z42]

There is a me262 flying.

There are several, but AFAIU they are actually all replicas, not original airframes. Powered by GE J85/CJ610 engines.

Me 262 Project - Wikipedia

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[GreenKnight121]

Yes... the J85 {18"-21" diameter}, or the P&W J60 [JT12] {22" diameter}, or the Armstrong-Siddeley Viper {24.5" diameter} would be the late 1950s-1960s replacement for all WW2 German jet engines, and engines such as the Williams J44-2/3 in the 1990s.

 

[PStickney]

Yes... the J85 {18"-21" diameter}, or the P&W J60 [JT12] {22" diameter}, or the Armstrong-Siddeley Viper {24.5" diameter} would be the late 1950s-1960s replacement for all WW2 German jet engines, and engines such as the Williams J44-2/3 in the 1990s.

It's not so much the diameter (Well, actually the overall size, so you can shift the location within the nacelle to keep the CG right without changing the shape, but the Mass Flow - The CJ610 and JT12 have essentially the same mass flow as the Jumo 004, which means you can keep the inlets the same size, and not have to redesign them.
That was one of the first problems we solved with the Czech Me 262 restoration project I was in back in the late '80s.

 

[Admiral Beez]

There is a me262 flying.

Yes, he knows.

These birds keep popping up in my head, every time I see that flying Messerschmitt 262 in the air....

That's what's driving his inquiry.

 

[Admiral Beez]

While the same General Electric CJ610 used in the Me 262 replicas should fit, any replica of the He 162 would need some mods to safety, aerodynamics and flight controls.

He 162: Hitler's Massively Flawed Wooden Jet Fighter

Despite its shortcomings, the He 162 was an elegant little design that, given a more measured manufacturing process, sturdier components and unharried pilot training, might have exhibited better performance. However, the Volksjäger’s flaws were inextricably tied to the fact it was one of the...

nationalinterest.org

"...highly unstable; needful of rare, long runways for takeoff; not very maneuverable; and difficult to land"

But if this 1/5 scale model can sort it out, the issues should be solvable.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGz3af6VwZ8

A good review of the He 162 here...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WIhH11vxDs

 

[Admiral Beez]

I like the Horten.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbYhFtT_QTE

 

[GTX]

I like the Horten.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbYhFtT_QTE

Saw the real thing a couple of weeks ago:

 

[Admiral Beez]

The replica was wicked looking too…


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhnKT03W8p8&pp=ygUtaG9ydGVuIGZseWluZyB3aW5nIHJlcGxpY2EgYnkgbm9ldGhvcCBncnVtbWFu