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Shortround6
Was the 4 gondola model and plans truly the He 177B (common fuselage and tail) or an alternative design?
tomo pauk
Two things need to be looked, too, when talking about Jumo 213 - 1st, the early examples from 1944, used on 1st Fw-190D-9, were displaying 100 HP less power, than what was promised. Please check out the Fw-190D entry at Williams' site.
Second, without captured AM-35 and AM-38, the Jumo-213 will not incorporate the intake guide vanes this early in ww2. That costs up to maybe 120-130 hp at altitudes lower than full throttle height.
I have serious doubts, that you can generalize this with the claims from Williams site, according to Dietmar Hermann's book "An Illustrated History of the FW 190 D Series", I can't see any serious substance of this claim in general.
Also Mr. Williams site tend to show normal to underperformance graph's of german a'c's
Do you have any prooves for this theory or claim?
Also Mr. Williams site tend to show normal to underperformance graph's of german a'c's
I've read this long time ago (here, just under the speed graph):
Lutz Naudet placed these performance trials in context:
Now lets come to the interpretation as to why both Wk.-Nr. 001 002 generally fall short of calculated values. The first problem with all flight trials of Wk.-Nr. 001 002 is that they were done with the initial batch of production engines, which have well documented problems with supercharger performance. Those first production engines produced 60-100PS less than the book values used for performance calculations. The second problem is the engine gap.
That is from Williams' site. I do admit that I don't know how much mr. Naudet 'weights' in ww2 circles, but I'm prepared to learn.
I get your point about the early versions of the Jumo 213, but how much of that was due to the incorporation into the Fw190 airframe, as I recall the FW190A had similar issues with the BMW801 that the bomber version did not have. So for Ju88 and other bomber configurations would this have necessarily been an issue? Also at this time IIRC bombers weren't operating above 20,000 feet for the most part, so would the supercharger problem affected low altitude performance as much?
@ tomo
To Dietmar Hermann' there were deviations at the power output of the Jumo 213, mostly through production issues, so to me the claim that the issue is only on the Jumo 213 engine is to general. A tooling and production change in Germany late 1943/1944 is much more difficult then early 1942 through bombing, logistics.and material stortages.
Also your thread to the supercharges. Till now I haven't read any german source, that gave suspicions moments, that this developments are copied from the UDSSR.
Contrariwise there are many german developments, where you can read that is was copied from allied or other hardware, for example Rotterdam Gerät, snorchel, T34, 12cm mortar etc.
To me it is unusual, that there is no german source with a direct reference to this issue, because from my other examples there were german sources with direct references to the foreign developments.
Could it be a simultaneously development from both countries?
Just as the flying wing concept at Germany and USA?
Maybe they (Jumo) did copied the Polikovsky's device, maybe they did not. It is a fact that Soviets have had that on their AM-34s by the time ww2 started.
Late 1930s Germany was the world's largest aluminum producer and airframe production was still relatively low. I'm confident 1938 Germany had plenty of aluminum for drop tanks if the Luftwaffe funds mass production.
nobody with a little brain would built drop tanks out of one of the most important raw material
I don't deny this, but till now I see nothing that prooves, Junkers copied this device.
I haven't read this at any book or most importantly by von Gersdorf, which is the bibel of german engine development.
For example the germans very explcit documented their copy of the cavity magnetron, what is also only a smal (but very important) part of a radar.
By the way they copied some issues from the T34 to develop the Panther and the germans documentd these, you can read this all by Spielberger.
Late 1930s Germany was the world's largest aluminum producer and airframe production was still relatively low. I'm confident 1938 Germany had plenty of aluminum for drop tanks if the Luftwaffe funds mass production.
CSS Virginia effectively employed sloped armor during 1862 and it was widely employed on naval gun turrets. Sloped armor was employed on German APCs during 1939. So I think you are giving the Soviets too much credit.
German medium tank which follows 15 ton 1935 Panzer III design would probably have sloped armor (at least on front) whether T-34 is encountered or not. It's mostly a matter of producing a tank large enough to allow adequate internal space with sloped armor.
Stalin built (or modernized) 4 large tank factories during 1929 to 1931. Ten years before Germany and USA built similar tank factories. So it's hardly surprising the Soviets were first to mass produce medium tanks.putting such a tank into mass production well before any other country
Late 1930s Germany was the world's largest aluminum producer and airframe production was still relatively low. I'm confident 1938 Germany had plenty of aluminum for drop tanks if the Luftwaffe funds mass production.