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Just to add to the above:The 22nd BG deployed with four squadrons and an HQ section in early 1942. By January, 1943 they had only enough combat worthy B-26s to equip one squadron. The entire unit was pulled out of combat to rest and refit. The remaining combat worthy B-26s were consolidated in the 19th BS. The other three squadrons were re-equipped with B-25s, re-entering combat in Sep 1943. In February 1944, the entire group re-equipped with B-24s.
Thank you for this info!Revenge of the Red Raiders describes it as a B-25D-20, assigned in September, 1943 to the 408th BS. Flew at least 54 missions, starting on 10/14/1943. Transferred to 823rd BS, 38th BG, January, 1944.
There aren't many photos of B-25s in the book, but the few that show the tail, show the plexiglas tail cap in place.
Paul, I have the original photo (or part of it) from an unknown source:Nice view of a modified side gun for a B-25 Mitchell Source: The 12th Airforce or the Mediterranean document.
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Maybe try the Sandbar Mitchell restoration. here Log into FacebookThe ball mounts are standard K-2 sockets for the AN-M2 .30's. They had to make a heck of a racket when flying with no gun. Think sticking a coke coke bottle out in the window of a car at 60 mph, the extrapolate from there. The K-2A solves the noise problem with a spring loaded flap and seal on the external cylinder.
BTW...anyone know of one in a parts stash, or collection that could be used to take measurements off of?
Paul, great photos!And below here you can see the 30 caliber machine gun barrel mounted below the nose.
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IMHO the ball&socket mounts with the flap were used on earlier B-25, B-25A and B-25B models only, and the standard K-2 sockets were used on B-25C/D. I've never seen a C/D with a flap. Do you have any photo with such mounts on later models?The ball mounts are standard K-2 sockets for the AN-M2 .30's. They had to make a heck of a racket when flying with no gun. Think sticking a coke coke bottle out in the window of a car at 60 mph, the extrapolate from there. The K-2A solves the noise problem with a spring loaded flap and seal on the external cylinder.
IMHO the ball&socket mounts with the flap were used on earlier B-25, B-25A and B-25B models only, and the standard K-2 sockets were used on B-25C/D. I've never seen a C/D with a flap. Do you have any photo with such mounts on later models?
This is a B-25:
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This is a B-25A:
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This is a B-25B:
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This is a B-25C:
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And this is a B-25D:
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Note: some or all of the above photos have been posted in this thread already.
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Thanks! I see now which flap do you mean - the small one on the ball! Dully noted. That small flap is even shown on the drawing I posted above.Catch -22: That last C model photo shows what appears to be a K-2A mount. All the A version did was add a little flat, flapper cover with a seal and a spring and hinge arrangement to the outer section.
Here's a link to a copy of the Index, go to page 151, for the K-2A
Unfortunently this is the only A/B manual I have and it does not show them in the nose.Thanks! I see now which flap do you mean - the small one on the ball! Dully noted. That small flap is even shown on the drawing I posted above.
Don't you think the earlier sockets are from a different type? The ball is mounted completely on the inside of the glazing. (On the B-25B photo there is a cantilever/arm holding the socket I guess). What is the flange of the socket mounted at? Unfortunately I don't have any B-25/B-25A manual for comparison.
(Paul, do you have any?)
Cheers!