fubar57
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??????? B-29 service ceiling 31,000 ish
Me 262 service ceiling 37,000 ish
Why do you make things up
Me 262 service ceiling 37,000 ish
Why do you make things up
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The B-29 never saw action over Europe in WW2 and only saw combat over Japan. If the B-29 had conducted air raids over Germany, it would faced fierce resistance from Me 262s and Me 163s.??????? B-29 service ceiling 31,000 ish
Me 262 service ceiling 37,000 ish
Why do you make things up
I never mentioned Me 262 in my posts on this thread, only mentioned Me 264. We all know that the Me 262 had the altitude to take out the B-29, but the Me 264 Amerika Bomber could only fly at an altitude of 26,000 feet, meaning it was vulnerable to interception by American fighter planes, whether piston-powered or jet-powered.Duh. The title of the thread is B-29 vs Me 262. You said the Me 262 couldn't reach the B-29 altitude
Any raid would have to come from France and the bay of Biscay was already picketed by anti Submarine aircraft. I cant see any way such a mission would be anything other than a one way propaganda exercise.If the LW could have reached the point of operational Me-264s, and bombed NYC, the US would have quickly found a remedy. A string of radar equipped picket ships for early warning, a couple of squadrons of P-47Js / P-51Hs / suitable alternates configured for high altitude interception would probably do the trick. Launch a couple of flights for inbound intercept and a couple for outbound in the event the inbound guys miss. Plane(s) never return.
On the Europe side figure out where they are being built / launching from and kill them on the ground. Planes don't get airborne.
Bottom line not a difficult exercise to overcome IMO.
Cheers,
Biff
On what fuel and do not forget our little friends. Me163 is nothing more then a rocket powered arrow. Very easy to evade. B-29 was not needed. Germany 1945 was nothing compared to the Korea era with good soviet jets, pilots, and fuel.The B-29 never saw action over Europe in WW2 and only saw combat over Japan. If the B-29 had conducted air raids over Germany, it would faced fierce resistance from Me 262s and Me 163s.
The Doolittle raid had the advantage of surprise. There is no way an airfield with huge German bombers could be brought in to operation in France without being discovered or reported, it would have as much chance of survival as a submarine pen.With the potential that the slow bomber fleet (cruising speed will not be very fast) being tracked across the Atlantic it's dicey for sure. Long range interceptors from GB, Iceland, Greenland, and Canada followed by point defense in the US. Losses will be significant as even minor damage is a potentially a big deal that far from home.
a Doolittle level raid is potentially feasible. But is it worth the effort?
The B-29 never saw action over Europe in WW2 and only saw combat over Japan. If the B-29 had conducted air raids over Germany, it would faced fierce resistance from Me 262s and Me 163s.
I agree, and I cant see how any raid would succeed in surprise. How would a raider escape a P-38 or Mosquito NF type aircraft in a chase across the Atlantic?The direct military effects of the Doolittle Raid were negligible; a few dozen (non-nuclear) bombs dropped in the general vicinity of Tokyo couldn't have that. The Japanese military and populace lost any sense of the invulnerability of Japan, proper, and some of the Japanese (or at least the portion of the Japanese populace in the know) may have even started to worry that US and its allies would do to the Japanese people what the Japanese Army had been doing in China.
The direct military results of a German air raid on New York (or Boston) would have the same general level of insignificance, but the net result would be a) a lot of Americans really angry at the Germans, in the same way as the country was angry for Pearl Harbor and b) a transfer of effort from the Pacific to the Atlantic. Unless Germany can mount raids of a hundred or more aircraft every day -- or at least every week -- the net effect would be negligible.
Duh. The title of the thread is B-29 vs Me 262. You said the Me 262 couldn't reach the B-29 altitude
how vulnerable would the Me 264 have been to enemy interception at high altitudes
If the USAAF deployed P-59 Airacomets fresh out of the Bell factory in Niagara Falls, New York to an air base in Long Island to intercept a German intercontinental bomber and Me 264 were used against Manhattan, how vulnerable would the Me 264 have been to enemy interception at high altitudes (like, say 30,000 feet)? I mean, the B-29's advantage over the Me 264 was being able to fly at high altitudes over Japanese cities, given that the jet powered version of the Kyushu J7W Shinden and the Mizuno Type 2 rocket fighter might have flown high enough to thwart B-29 carpet-bombing raids on Japanese territory, but also bearing in mind the fact that the production Me 264 wouldn't have flown as high as the B-29 Superfortress.
I think that the Me 264 was underpowered. However, that could have been solved by fitting it with four Jumo 222 engines.
Jumo 222s in production and reliable would have done wonders, but I don't think there was such a thing.
That late in the war?Now let's speculate what allied fighters "would have" shown up, shall we?