Best Jet of the War?

Best jet of the war?

  • Messerschmitt Me-262

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  • Arado Ar-234 'Blitz'

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  • Heinkel He-280

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  • Gloster Meteor

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From all sources that I know the Ta-183 never flew but was built as a modified version by the Russians. And yes the modified version of the Ta-183 is the Mig-15 which does look different.
 
Now one aircraft that did fly was the Messerschmitt Me P.1101. It was an advanced fighter design and was flown by the Americans who captured it right before it was scheduled to test flight.

 

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Adler,

"...one plane did fly..."

Yes, the Me-P.1101 is one of the most advanced planes build in 1945. But Your source does also underline that id did NOT fly anytime. It couldn´t have flown thanks to the damages and the worse general shape (fauling was extremely dangerous to the surface quality and structural integrity of the wing, you can it see on some pictures of 1946, at which that plane is shown modified with an american jet engine) due to the bad conditions it had to face outside when it was displayed to GI´s. It was also never completed: "...it proved to be impossible, due to the fact, that most of the design documents were now in France..." It did influence the Bell X-5 design, surely. But the Bell X-5 was also a new development beeing more advanced than the Me P.1101, it could sweep it´s wings during flight (which was impossible vor the Messerschmidt) and it did bear a much better jet engine. The Me-P.1101 however, was scrapped without ever having a maiden flight...
(and again, there is simply no independent source to confirm that the Ta-183 had to do anything, except from it´s general fighter layout, with the MiG-15...)
 

Never mind, Adler.

I have digged out some nice information of both designs (Me-P.1101 and Ta-183). You would find it interesting that the Messerschmidt design was probably much better than the Tank design. I´m not sure in all details but my calculations show that Tanks wingdesign was somewhat "risky". High degree (40) of swept back wing without anhedral together with an even higher aspect ratio (and no boundary layers or leading edge slots) compared to the Messerschmidt wing would seriously affect the low speed handling of the Ta-183. it would also result in a higher stall speed and even worse stall behavior. Tank wanted to push the critical mach speed beyond 0.94, but his wing layout sacrified much to reach such a high mach speed. I do belive that there would have been a very high probability of accidents during the first flights with the early Ta-183 V-prototypes, even with the lower wingload in mind. Messerschmidt´s wing designs, however, were more balanced in general. The wingload was higher, but he used leading edge slots to increase lift at slow and stalling speeds (very much like the Me-262), that would result in much better low speed handling. The wing was an excellent design, proven in the Me-262, and critical Mach speed would also have been at around 0.92-0.94.
 
The forward cockpit bears some advantages, esspeccially the visibility to the ground. Another bad point on the Me-262 is the heavy blinding of the upper nose mounted 30 mm guns. This makes prolonged aiming quite difficult, but it´s enough for bombers, I think.
 
there is no blinding flash of the Mk 108 except at night. this was a concern in the Bf 110G-2 for NJG 5 who had the upper two 3cm's replaced by long rod 2cm weapons in some instances......
 
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