Snautzer01
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you are very wrong - i've personally witnessed mockup combat of such kind and i can you assure that MiG23 had specific qualities which may makes it dangerous opponent to the '29th. Its acceleration was significantly superior vs 29th, it had no clearly visible smoke trail behind like 29th has, Gsh 23 had higher fire rate, biggest advantage of MIG29 th over 23 in BFM condition is KOLS system (helmet mounted sight) and R73 missiles, in BVR condition MiG 23 will be easy prey unless its pilot will make series of serious mistakes..Rewriting history again... The MiG-23 of the MLD modification could not conduct and win an air battle with the new MiG-29. Even with young pilots. The characteristics of these aircraft are very different. The MiG-29 was created as a fighter to gain air superiority. And that says it all. Yes, they fought training battles, but that's all. Tactics and techniques of conducting maneuverable combat were developed. Away from prying eyes...
the MiG-23 was created as a front-line fighter. The MiG-27 was created as a fighter-bomber. The prototype of the MiG-27 was the upgraded MiG-23BM. The differences of the new aircraft consisted in the new R-29B-300 engine and the PrNK-23 sighting and navigation system. A Type 3 wing with a new sweep change mechanism was installed on the MiG-23BM, the chassis was strengthened due to an increase in the mass of the combat load to 4 thousand kg. The composition of the armament also changed - a 30–mm six-barreled gun GSH-6-30A and new airborne radar equipment appeared.
At the beginning of 1975, under the designation MiG-27, the car was released into the series. A ventral keel was installed on all MiG-27s to eliminate stability problems, which was retracted when the landing gear was released. The flattened nose of the fuselage was characteristic, because of it the aircraft received the nickname "Platypus" or "Crocodile". In this compartment of the bow there was a laser rangefinder-target designator "Background".
On the attack aircraft, the ejection seat was placed slightly higher than on the MiG-23 and the slope of the windshield was made more gentle, which provided a better front view. Armor plates were laid along the sides of the cockpit, protecting the pilot from small-caliber weapons. The MiG-27 had several modifications. The variant with the Kaira laser rangefinder, which has a computer, was designated as the MiG-27K and was released into series in 1975. The MiG-27M is a vehicle similar in TTD to the MiG–27K, but more budget-friendly and reliable. However, in combat use, it was inferior to the 27K variant. View attachment 780706
The MiG-23MLD was a fairly well perfected aircraft, whereas the early MiG-29s still suffered from various defects. Thus, the H019 radar on the first series of MiG-29s had a shorter detection radius than the Sapphire-23 on the MiG-23MLD. The maneuvering characteristics were rather comparable. At the beginning of MiG-29 deployment, pilots were trained according to old patterns, so they were not able to use all the capabilities of the aircraft, whereas pilots of the 2nd Aviation Squadron in Mary on MLDs were probably the most experienced pilots in the USSR. And in maneuverable close air combat at low and medium altitudes they usually won.MiG23 had specific qualities which may makes it dangerous opponent to the '29th
Insisting that the MiG-27 didn't exist is actually quite funny.
Often times, when an airframe is extensively reworked, it becomes reclassified with a new designation.
Even the USAF did it with types like the B-29 which became B-50 and several experimental variants of the P-40, which itself was originally a P-36.
The MiG-31 is not a modification of the MiG-25, despite the identical layout with the MiG-25, and was even initially called the MiG-25MP. The MiG-31 differs significantly in airframe design, aerodynamics, and is equipped with totally different engines (turbofans) compared to the MiG-25. In fact, it was a "flying S-300".MiG did it with the -25 followed by the -31, too.
ACH... there is no debate there, Buffalo every time for the win!I'm liking it. It's kind of like an impassioned debate between the Buffalo and Dewoitine D.520.
What!! I thought the unmentionable fighter won the war - in all theaters.
I'm afraid you have no idea how close to the truth your assumption is. But we should talk about the entire MiG-23 program. And then about the MiG-29 program, which should be cancelled, because the Su-27 undoubtedly won the competition. The MiG-29 with its very short range was a "fighter to gain air superiority over the approach NDB of its own airfield" (that's how it was characterized by some of the Soviet aviation specialists themselves when the decision on serial production was made). But the Soviet political leadership and military-industrial complex made dumb decisions on a regular basis - for example, the simultaneous production of FOUR different main battle tanks. And then they hysterically cried that it was Gorbachev who led the USSR to collapse.Similar way MiG27 helped West to defeat Empire of Evil by useless aloction of resources...
What!! I thought the unmentionable fighter won the war - in all theaters.
Verdammt, die Luftwaffe hat ihre Chance wieder vertan....In fact the Mig-27 would have been a world stopper had it black crosses on it.
And Germany hasn't been attacked since it got it. Game, Set, Touchdown.Verdammt, die Luftwaffe hat ihre Chance wieder vertan....
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Hallelujah!And Germany hasn't been attacked since it got it. Game, Set, Touchdown.