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Japanese home builders and aircraft manufacturers of the prewar era seemed to follow the same materials and building techniques. Keep it dainty, light and highly flammable.What about 6 or 8 .303's? Like Beez said, I doubt any Japanese aircraft except a large flying boat ever came home with 300+ bullet holes in it, especially if incendiary rounds are plentiful.
Hey guys,
For the RAF which belt-feed are we talking about? IIRC the Hurricane IIC (mid-1941) used a form of recoil assisted feed mechanism, and I do not recall reading of any particular problems with it. It only had to feed a 94-round belt vs the later 120-round belt for the Spitfire VC (late-1941) and such, but was there any particular problem with either?
The Martin Baker feed was a later design used in later production Seafires. See the following link posted by NeedySeaGoon back in October.It may have been made by them and/or final development made by them but the basic design came from France, the Chatellerault feed. The plans were actually gotten out of Paris in May of 1940?
When belt feed was available, people used it. Nobody was using it before it was available.
Hey Shortround6 and Reluctant Poster,
Thanks for the info on the belt-feeds.
I do not know for sure which aircraft also used the servo-assisted feed mechanism other than the Beaufighter, but if you have any technical information or diagrams on it I would be interested.
Yes, of course. I've not seen any figures for the percentage hit rate achieved in the BoB, but later in the war the Luftwaffe found that only around 5% of the cannon rounds fired at large bombers scored hits.That would be all rounds fired including the misses, there's not an aircraft made anywhere in the world that would be in a flyable state after having 4,500 AP and incendiary .303's fired into it.
I suggested the very same thing and got roasted for it, if I flew in WW2 I'd have my Spit set up exactly as you described, use short bursts from the .303's until I saw the flash then toggle the switch and let the SAPI's go to work.
Was the Whirlwind in operational use when belt fed Hispano's reached front line fighters?
I seem to remember that one book said the first 400 Beaufighters used drums. I don't know if that is exact or not, or how long it took to build the first 400 Beaufighters. Or even if that is accurate.[edit: I have not been able to find any solid info on when the first Beaufighters switched over to the belt-feed system(s).]
The problem with that is that while the .303's muzzle velocity was around 750 m/s, the Hispano's was 880 m/s. Which could mean that relying on the MGs to indicate the correct lead angle to hit a target might result in a clean miss with the cannon.
In practice, the .303 MGs proved disappointing in the BoB, which is why the RAF was so desperate to fit cannon even before they were ready. Luftwaffe bombers made it back to base with as many as 300 bullet holes in them.
On paper, they could penetrate around 10-12 mm armour plate, but in practice they were destabilised on hitting the aircraft structure to such an extent than only a minority of hits even reached the Blenheim's 4 mm armour plate, and hardly any penetrated. The firing tests were at 200 yards.
As the OP raised the issue of effectiveness versus JAPANESE aircraft, I must go with the 8-12 .303 armament through 1942, and possibly 1st half of 1943. The lack of SSFT and armor left these opponents vulnerable to even tumbling solid projectiles.
The discussion of the cannon armament is fascinating. However, these are not needed till later in the war.
there was no 37mm gun. The gun in the photos of a single gun Whirlwind is a 20mm Hispano. What they were testing seems to be lost in time.
A number of books and many websites say the gun is a 37mm but the British had no 37mm gun in development at any of the British gun companies or government arsenals.
37mm was not a standard British gun size and no other British gun in several decades was a 37mm. (except for purchased guns). British had a variety of 40mm guns (2pdrs).