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Including Airbus?? Where "the gizmos" are between your Atari stick and your control actuators? Hey Biff, can you bypass "the gizmos" on the throttles in the 'bus? It seems to me that the gizmos are coming to be considered part of the passive control linkage, like bobweights and servo tabs, a mentality that seems to have caused Boeing to feel MCAS was "just part of the flight control linkages", thus not needing any specific explanation or training.At the end of the day - YES. They have to be certified so if all the gizmos fail, they can still be flown by hand with a couple of "steam gauges."
My employer in my CFI days had the school's Beech Sundowner wheelbarrowed and pancaked by the new CAP Air Force Liaison Officer, a full bird, who had just come off two consecutive tours as a BUFF command pilot. Insisted he'd flown "these Musketeer types" plenty in the past and didn't need a checkout. After it was pointed out that CAP regs required it, he browbeat a new young instructor into signing him off after one landing. He flew into a relatively short strip at night at too high an approach speed, landed long in wheelbarrow mode, and crowhopped it off the end of the runway into the localizer antennas. Everybody walked away, but it took six months to repair the plane.I've also found many airline pilots who "come back" into flying GA aircraft have a tendency to flare high.
Including Airbus??
The concern is how flyable is the aircraft when something goes wrong. A friend — with about 75 hours in Cessnas — did okay flying an F-106 simulator until he stalled it, had it go into a spin, and recovered 50,000 feet later (the instructor said he did pretty well; 35,000 ft was about about normal for a trained USAF fighter pilot).
While an early supersonic fighter is not a late-generation airliner, the point is that experience and training can help prevent problems and makes recovering from them more likely to succeed quickly.
Including Airbus?? Where "the gizmos" are between your Atari stick and your control actuators? Hey Biff, can you bypass "the gizmos" on the throttles in the 'bus? It seems to me that the gizmos are coming to be considered part of the passive control linkage, like bobweights and servo tabs, a mentality that seems to have caused Boeing to feel MCAS was "just part of the flight control linkages", thus not needing any specific explanation or training.
I think any pilot properly trained by a North American or European airline would have connected the MCAS behaviour to essentially a runaway trim condition and responded accordingly.
My friend Kathleen, in her -800 training, was subjected to two runaway trim episodes, both in worst case scenarios involving engine outs, night IMC, turbulence, icing, heavy weight, a single engine ILS to a missed approach and a divert to another field, all with electric trim cutout and hand cranking all the way, and flying on the standby steam gauges, all screens off. One of these included a depressurization and an emergency descent from FL340. Somehow I doubt the Lion and Ethiopian crews were subjected to that kind of rigorous worst case training in their "economy class" program peddled by Boeing to third world countries. If they had, this conversation probably wouldn't be taking place.
Cheers,
Wes
Then also consider - "Failure is not an option"!
I'm investigating one now...Ahh, the "don't eff up" culture. The engineer's creedo, until, like every single engineer out there, you do. I've seen some of the best and brightest guys out there do some pretty significant damage to aircraft - happens to everyone.
I'm investigating one now...
Luckily no injuries, but they've got to replace the engine.
Y'know, as an A&P, duly licensed by the FAA, what's been going on with the MAX has been striking me as very wrong. With the first incident, there should have been an immediate grounding off all others of that type until an emergency repair has been developed. Happens with every other type, and not because the incidents hit the mass media, such as what happened at Burlington Airport around 1990. Here is the Cliff's Notes version of that incident.I am surprised no one has started a topic on this a/c. Two fatal crashes in the last 5 months.