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B17 FORTRESS - ORIGINAL AVIATION PHOTO-MOYES & BOWYER COLLECTIONS | eBay

This original photo is from the collection of two of the most famous aviation authors, Chaz Bowyer and Philip Moyes. All photos are original prints from negatives, (not scanned copies), and they were printed between 1930-1970.
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Snautzer01 said:
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Great image of one of the Fortress Is in the USA before delivery. This was 40-2064, serial AN528. It shows a little administrative error by the Boeing painters, and several, not all, were painted with the incorrect second letter before it was rectified. Sadly, this aircraft was burned out on 2 July 1941. An engine caught fire and the airframe was completely destroyed up to the tail section.
 
B-17F-100-BO 42-30336 / Miss Nonalee II 385th BG, 548th BS, *Miss Nonalee II*) attempted to reach Sweden with mechanical problems Oct 9, 1943, but came down at Norholm Mark, near Varde, Denmark. MACR 824. 1 evaded, 10 POW. Repaired by Luftwaffe and flown as 7+8 by KJG200

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2.WK. Luftwaffe Wehrmacht, Boing B-17 Beuteflugzeug ca.1943/44 | eBay

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SaparotRob said:
I spend too much time looking at this picture.
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Glad to see my Coastal Command Fortress book is proving to be a useful reference.

Replying to Snautzer01's photo post of FK185, it is equally possible that the white paint is wearing away to reveal Deep Sky. Research for my 2nd edition confirmed that an unknown number of initial deliveries of B-17Es for the RAF were painted in Temperate Land and Deep Sky for the originally intended role of high-level bombing. This was the scheme in the well-known colour series that includes 41-1941 (which was not delivered to Britain) and to FK198 (which was delivered to Britain) and which Snauzter01 posted here:

Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress

B17F-1-BO 41-24380 SUPERMAN assigned to 92nd BG at Bangor Jun 24, 1942; sustained a crashlanding at Bangor Jun 26, 1942, repaired; re-assigend to 97th BG, 340th BS at Polebrook Jul 26, 1942; re-assigned to 12th AF at Maison Blanche, Algeria Oct 11 1942. Salvaged November 30, 1945.
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I spend too much time looking at this picture.
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Snautzer01 said:
RAF Coastal Command B-17 nose cannon FK185

Fortress IIA FK185, ex USAAF (4)1-2514, ex NR-E of 220 Sq and the gun a 40mm Vickers S gun in a Bristol B.16 nose turret. The experiment was a response to the inadequacy of forward-firing Fortress armament (one 0.30" Browning that frequently jammed after the first round) against U-Boats, culminating in the loss of Fortress II FA704 "R" of 206 Sq to U-417 on 11 Jun 1943: no doubt the crew, which included the squadron CO, made their views known forcibly after drifting around in heavy seas for 3 days! The aircraft was taken from service with 220 Sq, whereupon the NR codes (aft of waist window) were painted out (though still faintly visible) but the individual letter E (forward of waist window) retained and repeated in a darker colour on the new nose. The aircraft was tested at A&AEE from December 1943: 700 rounds were fired. During trials all other armament was removed. The aircraft was subsequently converted back to standard configuration and arrived with 251 (Met) squadron on 4 April 1945.
The gun had limited traverse and elevation and was sighted by a gunner in the gondola under the gun. I seem to recall that sighting the gun was the main problem with the installation: it wasn't as simple as just pointing the aircraft at the target. I could be wrong about that though in Stitt's book a 220 Sq crewman says it was unusual to have the time to correct the fire even of the 0.30" gun during an attack. A port side view of FK185 at A&AEE in Feb 44 in Mason The Testing Years and Stitt: Boeing B-17 Fortress in RAF Coastal Command Service shows very heavy weathering, especially to the fin, exposing the Olive Drab paint and original serial underneath. Stitt even has photos, from the Boeing archive, of the internal arrangements. RAF B-17 with large ? nose gun ( 40mm ? ) and chin mod

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WWII: B-17 FLYING FORTRESS ORIGINAL AIR MINISTRY PHOTOGRAPH 27TH FEB 1944 | eBay

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Replying to Snautzer01's photo post of FK185, it is equally possible that the white paint is wearing away to reveal Deep Sky. Research for my 2nd edition confirmed that an unknown number of initial deliveries of B-17Es for the RAF were painted in Temperate Land and Deep Sky for the originally intended role of high-level bombing. This was the scheme in the well-known colour series that includes 41-1941 (which was not delivered to Britain) and to FK198 (which was delivered to Britain) which Snauzter01 posted here:
Snautzer01 said:
RAF Coastal Command B-17 nose cannon FK185

Fortress IIA FK185, ex USAAF (4)1-2514, ex NR-E of 220 Sq and the gun a 40mm Vickers S gun in a Bristol B.16 nose turret. The experiment was a response to the inadequacy of forward-firing Fortress armament (one 0.30" Browning that frequently jammed after the first round) against U-Boats, culminating in the loss of Fortress II FA704 "R" of 206 Sq to U-417 on 11 Jun 1943: no doubt the crew, which included the squadron CO, made their views known forcibly after drifting around in heavy seas for 3 days! The aircraft was taken from service with 220 Sq, whereupon the NR codes (aft of waist window) were painted out (though still faintly visible) but the individual letter E (forward of waist window) retained and repeated in a darker colour on the new nose. The aircraft was tested at A&AEE from December 1943: 700 rounds were fired. During trials all other armament was removed. The aircraft was subsequently converted back to standard configuration and arrived with 251 (Met) squadron on 4 April 1945.
The gun had limited traverse and elevation and was sighted by a gunner in the gondola under the gun. I seem to recall that sighting the gun was the main problem with the installation: it wasn't as simple as just pointing the aircraft at the target. I could be wrong about that though in Stitt's book a 220 Sq crewman says it was unusual to have the time to correct the fire even of the 0.30" gun during an attack. A port side view of FK185 at A&AEE in Feb 44 in Mason The Testing Years and Stitt: Boeing B-17 Fortress in RAF Coastal Command Service shows very heavy weathering, especially to the fin, exposing the Olive Drab paint and original serial underneath. Stitt even has photos, from the Boeing archive, of the internal arrangements. RAF B-17 with large ? nose gun ( 40mm ? ) and chin mod

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43-38190 B-17G-80-BO SWEET SUE. (493rd BG, 863rd BS)Delivered Cheyenne 5/7/44; Kearney 16/7/44; Dow Fd 3/8/44; Assigned 863BS/493BG Debach 4/8/44; slight mid-air collision with 43-38244, damageforce landed Orfordness, Sfk., with Beverly Davis 15/1/45; battle damaged Nurnberg 25/2/45 with ?; force landed Nancy A/fd, Fr; Engine #1 explosion, forced landing Woodbridge, Missing Air Crew Report 11253 12-30-44 repaired & ret gp; Returned to the USA Bradley 1/7/45; 4168 Base Unit, South Plains, Texas 4/7/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Kingman 26/11/45.

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Snautzer01 said:
*WWII photo- 401st Bomb Group- B 17 Bomber plane on BOMB RUN (42-97872) KIA* | eBay

Baugher: 42-97872 (401st BG 614th BS "Rosie's Sweat Box") lost Sep 17, 1944 on takeoff for mission to Groesbeck. The plane failed to clear the hedge at the end of the runway on takeoff and exploded, killing all but the tail gunner who died the next day.

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I have found loads of "cooked off" 50 Cal Casings and parts from this plane - this round is totally inert after the fire of the crash as the primer has exploded out and all the gunpowder inside has burnt leaving the bullet slightly out of the casing and the casing all deformed.
 

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