AnkitaMishra
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- Oct 11, 2011
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"It was a bomber destroyer and in 1935/36 when the idea was produced, no one thought that Germany would invade France and be able to use single seat fighters to escort bombers into British airspace."
This is of course total nonsence.
It was predicted that France will be attacked by Germany and when Defiant will be used it could probably be attacked by enemy fighters. Defiant supporters predicted that it will be successful.
I dont know if anybody predicted that Defiant could be mixed with long range fighters like Bf 110C, but this was also possible at the end the 1930s. We need to know original documents to make any final statements towards Defiant expectations in combat.
I dont know if anybody predicted that Defiant could be mixed with long range fighters like Bf 110C, but this was also possible at the end the 1930s. We need to know original documents to make any final statements towards Defiant expectations in combat.
I am actually hard pressed to think of a single aircraft that was designed as a response to another aircraft already in service during WW II. Modified or improved versions yes, but an all new aircraft?
That was precisely my point. Dowding insisted on a base minimum of 500 single engined fighters with pilots, the LW actually destroyed that many or killed/injured that number of pilots. In numbers the RAF was stronger and the LW weaker, pilot skill and training is a different issue. As far as the Bf110 is concerned it cost much more to build and operate than a Bf109 and none of the extra cost was justified by resultsThe RAF made a net gain of 261 Hurricanes and 175 Hurricanes between 6th July and 2nd November 1940. Production far outweighed losses with the exception of a few weeks in August/September. The loss of 537 airmen, mostly pilots, was a much bigger problem for the British.
I am actually hard pressed to think of a single aircraft that was designed as a response to another aircraft already in service during WW II. Modified or improved versions yes, but an all new aircraft?
The trouble with this theory was that it rather ignored all the experience of WW I.
It was accepted that Germany would attack France. It was totally unforeseen that France would be overrun at all, let alone the lightning collapse that came to pass. The expectation was that any German offensive would be stalled, leading to a repeat of the static trench warfare of 1914-18. Maybe that expectation was foolish but, numerically, the French army was more than sufficient to absorb and successfully respond to a German offensive. What changed was the tactics which drove through French positions, with resultant collapse in morale.
I have posted exactly that sort of information in another thread...somewhere. The documents I posted included a discussion of the tactics to be employed by the Defiant against bombers, tactics that could never have been considered in the presence of escort fighters.
The Bf 109 had a radius of operation of barely 150 miles (basically flying there and back and not indulging in any high demand combat flying). Nobody had envisaged the fall and surrender of France, it certainly wasn't considered in any of the RAF's 'War Plans', and nobody expected the Luftwaffe fighters to be operating from bases on the Channel Coasts of France and the Low Countries.
The first Bf 110s entered production in April 1938 just eight months AFTER the Defiant prototype first flew. British pre-war development times were long, which is why the type didn't enter production until mid 1939. Hindsight is a wonderful tool.
The DB 601 powered Bf 110 C variant did not begin to reach operational units until the summer of 1939, around the time the Defiant entered production.
Cheers
Steve