British vs Japanese aircraft in Malaya 1941

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going from the deter Japan in Mayala thread


I have watched about 2/3rds of the first video and while I agree with a lot of it, I do disagree with one part in which one commentator calls most of the British aircraft "garbage".

While the commentator does not call the Buffalo outright garbage he calls the Blenheim garbage, and the Hudson garbage and the Vildebeest garbage. In the last instance he may have been right ;)
But this was a strange period in time for both Allied and Japanese aviation and Dec 1941/Jan 1942 is different than the summer/fall of 1942.

Japanese JAAF attacked Mayala and Philippines with about 650 aircraft with a large boost from the JNAF against the Philippines.
The types of aircraft used against Mayala were, for the most part, not sophisticated or high performing as we would think of later planes.
The principle Japanese bomber was the Ki-21 II A, but only around 120-130 were on strength in SEA.
Speedy if flying at full speed but cruise was closer to 380kph and bomb load was a max 1000kg. This qualified it as a "heavy" at the time and theater.
It was better protected than most Japanese aircraft but gun armament was.........................sketchy?...............inadequate.....................downright poor?
Six 7.7mm machine guns that had only 3 men to man them (unless extra gunners were carried) that were rather slow firing and had limited ammo capacity (and one was a tail stinger) meant that evasion was probably the best defense.
There were some Ki-48 Is involved but this were the early ones with the single speed superchargers and the 300kg bomb load and cruise speed of around 350kp, and three hand aimed 7.7mm machine guns. Calling the Blenheim garbage while this was 2nd best JAAF bomber in the theater might be pushing it?
JAAF was using the Ki-30
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A Battle equivalent without retracting landing gear?
The rest of the "bombers" used were Ki-51s
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max bomb load normal was four 50kg bombs Two 7.7mm guns for strafing.
They were using a few Ki-36s to fill up numbers.
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with a 450hp engine the plane was useful for operating out of small airfield..............if there were no opposing fighters.
normal bomb load was ten 33lb bombs.


Japanese did not have superior planes to the British, the fixed gear Ki-27 Nate was over 66% of the available JAAF fighter force.

What they had was excellent, experienced pilots, backed up by excellent, experienced ground crew and good command.
Yes the greater numbers helped.

Hudsons would have been decent bombers in Mayala........................had they had experience crews and all their operational equipment.
 
going from the deter Japan in Mayala thread
In 1941, the Japanese Army Air Force had Ki27s and Ki43s. Skillfull pilots in Buffaloes and Kittyhawks should be capable of fighting the Ki27s. The AVG understood the tactics needed to fight the Japanese. Did the RAF? These were not their best pilots. How many of the very much more effective Ki43s were there?
 
In 1941, the Japanese Army Air Force had Ki27s and Ki43s. Skillfull pilots in Buffaloes and Kittyhawks should be capable of fighting the Ki27s. The AVG understood the tactics needed to fight the Japanese. Did the RAF? These were not their best pilots. How many of the very much more effective Ki43s were there?

There were 2 Sentai of Ki-43s operating in the Malayan Campaign, the 64th Sentai and 59th Sentai. Each would have about 50 Ki-43s plus a few Ki-27s, which means that the IJAAF had more Ki-43s than the entire force of RAF Buffalos (numbering 60 tops if we include 67 Sqn in Burma)...and that's before we consider the Ki-27 units.

There were also 2 Sentai of Ki-27s (1st and 11th) operational in Malaya, with a third (77th) operating in Burma.
 
There were 2 Sentai of Ki-43s operating in the Malayan Campaign, the 64th Sentai and 59th Sentai. Each would have about 50 Ki-43s plus a few Ki-27s, which means that the IJAAF had more Ki-43s than the entire force of RAF Buffalos (numbering 60 tops if we include 67 Sqn in Burma)...and that's before we consider the Ki-27 units.

There were also 2 Sentai of Ki-27s (1st and 11th) operational in Malaya, with a third (77th) operating in Burma.
According to Francillon (old and could very well be wrong) the Japanese had
64th Sentai = 24 Ki-43s
59th Sentai = 35 Ki-43s and 6 Ki-27
1st Sentai = 42 Ki-27s
11th Sentai = 39 Ki-27s
77th Sentai = 27 Ki-27s

The 24th Sentai and the 50th Sentai both had 36 Ki-27s in the initial deployment to the Philippines but had more help from the navy. Ki-43s were in the pipeline for replacements for Mayalsia and Burma.

The Japanese made much better use of their tactical aircraft than the British did. This was a failing of the RAF world wide at this point in time. A few local commanders were doing better in NA but that was an exception.
 
According to Francillon (old and could very well be wrong) the Japanese had
64th Sentai = 24 Ki-43s
59th Sentai = 35 Ki-43s and 6 Ki-27
1st Sentai = 42 Ki-27s
11th Sentai = 39 Ki-27s
77th Sentai = 27 Ki-27s

The 24th Sentai and the 50th Sentai both had 36 Ki-27s in the initial deployment to the Philippines but had more help from the navy. Ki-43s were in the pipeline for replacements for Mayalsia and Burma.

The Japanese made much better use of their tactical aircraft than the British did. This was a failing of the RAF world wide at this point in time. A few local commanders were doing better in NA but that was an exception.
Bloody Shambles Vol 1 broadly agrees except that the complements of the 64th and 59th Sentais are reversed. So
59th Sentai - 24 Ki 43 (converted June 1941 from Ki 27)
64th Sentai - 35 Ki 43 + 6 Ki 27 ( this unit had only begun conversion to the Ki 43 in Sept and was still operating some Ki 27 into Nov per JAAF Fighter Units and thir Aces)


Also present under direct command of the Southern Army was
84th Independent Chutai - 9 Ki 27
 

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