wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
never learn, do they?
Can someone help me identify this aircraft?
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never learn, do they?It seems there are missing a few posts in this thread, so if this has already been posted please excuse me.
The plane must be:
Sky Scow III 42-73473 Group: 30th. Squadron: 27th Status: unknown/missing. Date Lost: Oct. 1944. Area lost:Iwo.
As there seem to no record of a Sky Scow II (its not just me who can't find it, i have this quote from Osprey Combat Aircraft 11 page 38 ).
Here is Sky Scow:
The plane must be:
Sky Scow III 42-73473 Group: 30th. Squadron: 27th Status: unknown/missing. Date Lost: Oct. 1944. Area lost:Iwo.
As there seem to no record of a Sky Scow II (its not just me who can't find it, i have this quote from Osprey Combat Aircraft 11 page 38 ).
Here is Sky Scow:
wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
Between your pic and his i think its scout instead of scow and theres no women on yours
wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
Sorry bout that had to put my spectacles on and saw the tip of the w your right
Also i mean to say, that there are no clear records of another B-24 named "Sky Sco*" flying with the 7th Air Force (I might have said that there was NOT any, but I don't know for sure).
There could be, since these records are incomplete. There could also have been a "Sky Scow II" but its not recorded.
Poster dtippy claims his uncle say that this B-24 is NOT "Sky Scow III", but i think he is mistaken, maybe its because the uncle who was KIA is not on the pic. Remember that the surviving uncle did not fly on this plane, just knew it due to his brother being a gunner on it.
There could be, since these records are incomplete. There could also have been a "Sky Scow II" but its not recorded.
Poster dtippy claims his uncle say that this B-24 is NOT "Sky Scow III", but i think he is mistaken, maybe its because the uncle who was KIA is not on the pic. Remember that the surviving uncle did not fly on this plane, just knew it due to his brother being a gunner on it.
wilbur1
Tech Sergeant
Oh ok
There she is!
Good find. Has it just been posted, or did you have it already?
If it was only posted, its uncanny that we have this thread at the same time....a little bit of X-flies here.......
If no one else have done it, I would like to submit the pictures to B-24 Best Web >6200 PICs - ...Liberator Bombers from WWII
They have a database of 6200 Liberators, but are missing "Sky Scow III".
Further detective work:
"Sky Scow" was left on Hawaii in Feb 1944.
We must assume "Sky Scow III" was named after this date (as there are no records of "Sky Scow II", we can assume the number was skipped).
The picture would then have a window of 8 months between Feb 1944 and Oct 1944 where "Sky Scow III" was lost off Iwo Jima.
30th Bombardment Group was stationed:
Abemama (Gilbert Islands), 4 January 1944
Kwajalien, c. 20 March 1944
Siapan, 4 August 1944
Good find. Has it just been posted, or did you have it already?
If it was only posted, its uncanny that we have this thread at the same time....a little bit of X-flies here.......
If no one else have done it, I would like to submit the pictures to B-24 Best Web >6200 PICs - ...Liberator Bombers from WWII
They have a database of 6200 Liberators, but are missing "Sky Scow III".
Further detective work:
"Sky Scow" was left on Hawaii in Feb 1944.
We must assume "Sky Scow III" was named after this date (as there are no records of "Sky Scow II", we can assume the number was skipped).
The picture would then have a window of 8 months between Feb 1944 and Oct 1944 where "Sky Scow III" was lost off Iwo Jima.
30th Bombardment Group was stationed:
Abemama (Gilbert Islands), 4 January 1944
Kwajalien, c. 20 March 1944
Siapan, 4 August 1944
Combat Chronology of the 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy) January 1944 to October 1944.
TUESDAY, 4 JANUARY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): 18 B-24's, staging through Tarawa Atoll, Gilbert Islands, bomb Emidj Island, Marshall Islands. HQ 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy) transfers from Nanumea Island, Ellice Island to Abemama Island, Gilbert Islands.
SATURDAY, 26 FEBRUARY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-25s from Tarawa Atoll and Abemama Island attack Wotje and Jaluit Atolls; P-40s from Makin Island bomb and strafe targets on Mille Atoll. 27th and 38th Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), based on Nanumea Island, Ellice Islands begin operating from Abemama and Makin Islands, respectively, with B-24s.
MONDAY, 13 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-25s from Engebi Island, Eniwetok Atoll, bomb Kusaie Island while B-24s from Tarawa Atoll hit Ponape Island. B-25s from Abemama Island and Tarawa Atoll pound Mille Atoll. 38th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Nanumea Island, Ellice Islands to Kwajalein Atoll; the squadron continues operating from Makin Island with B-24s until 22 Mar.
WEDNESDAY, 15 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-24s from Kwajalein Atoll fly the first Seventh Air Force mission against Truk Atoll, Caroline Islands, hitting Dublon and Eten Islands before dawn; alternate targets of Oroluk Anchorage and Ponape Town are also hit. B-25s from Tarawa Atoll hit Maloelap Atoll. By this date the A-24s, P-39s, and P-40s used against Mille and Jaluit Atolls during Operations FLINTLOCK (operations against Kwajalein and Majuro Atolls) and CATCHPOLE (operations against Eniwetok and Ujelang Atolls) have returned to Oahu, Territory of Hawaii for rest and re-equipment. 27th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Nanumea Island to Kwajalein Atoll with B-24s; they have been operating from Abemama Island since 26 Feb.
FRIDAY, 17 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-24s and B-25s from Tarawa Atoll bomb, respectively, Ponape Island and Jaluit Atoll Atoll. 392d Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Abemama Island to Kwajalein Atoll with B-24s.
TUESDAY, 25 JULY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): P-47s continue to hit Tinian and Pagan Islands. B-24s, based at Kwajalein Atoll, bomb Truk Atoll. The 819th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), arrives on Saipan Island from Wheeler Field, Territory of Hawaii with B-24s.
FRIDAY, 4 AUGUST 1944
(Seventh Air Force): In the Marianas Islands, Saipan Island Island-based B-25s fly 2 strikes against Guam Island. B-25s staging from the Marshall Island, hit Ponape Island. HQ 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy) and 27th, 38th and 392d Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy) move from Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands to Saipan Island with B-24s; and the 9th Troop Carrier Squadron, Seventh Air Force, moves from Abemama Island, Gilbert Islands to Saipan Island with C-47s.
TUESDAY, 4 JANUARY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): 18 B-24's, staging through Tarawa Atoll, Gilbert Islands, bomb Emidj Island, Marshall Islands. HQ 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy) transfers from Nanumea Island, Ellice Island to Abemama Island, Gilbert Islands.
SATURDAY, 26 FEBRUARY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-25s from Tarawa Atoll and Abemama Island attack Wotje and Jaluit Atolls; P-40s from Makin Island bomb and strafe targets on Mille Atoll. 27th and 38th Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), based on Nanumea Island, Ellice Islands begin operating from Abemama and Makin Islands, respectively, with B-24s.
MONDAY, 13 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-25s from Engebi Island, Eniwetok Atoll, bomb Kusaie Island while B-24s from Tarawa Atoll hit Ponape Island. B-25s from Abemama Island and Tarawa Atoll pound Mille Atoll. 38th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Nanumea Island, Ellice Islands to Kwajalein Atoll; the squadron continues operating from Makin Island with B-24s until 22 Mar.
WEDNESDAY, 15 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-24s from Kwajalein Atoll fly the first Seventh Air Force mission against Truk Atoll, Caroline Islands, hitting Dublon and Eten Islands before dawn; alternate targets of Oroluk Anchorage and Ponape Town are also hit. B-25s from Tarawa Atoll hit Maloelap Atoll. By this date the A-24s, P-39s, and P-40s used against Mille and Jaluit Atolls during Operations FLINTLOCK (operations against Kwajalein and Majuro Atolls) and CATCHPOLE (operations against Eniwetok and Ujelang Atolls) have returned to Oahu, Territory of Hawaii for rest and re-equipment. 27th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Nanumea Island to Kwajalein Atoll with B-24s; they have been operating from Abemama Island since 26 Feb.
FRIDAY, 17 MARCH 1944
(Seventh Air Force): B-24s and B-25s from Tarawa Atoll bomb, respectively, Ponape Island and Jaluit Atoll Atoll. 392d Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), moves from Abemama Island to Kwajalein Atoll with B-24s.
TUESDAY, 25 JULY 1944
(Seventh Air Force): P-47s continue to hit Tinian and Pagan Islands. B-24s, based at Kwajalein Atoll, bomb Truk Atoll. The 819th Bombardment Squadron (Heavy), 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy), arrives on Saipan Island from Wheeler Field, Territory of Hawaii with B-24s.
FRIDAY, 4 AUGUST 1944
(Seventh Air Force): In the Marianas Islands, Saipan Island Island-based B-25s fly 2 strikes against Guam Island. B-25s staging from the Marshall Island, hit Ponape Island. HQ 30th Bombardment Group (Heavy) and 27th, 38th and 392d Bombardment Squadrons (Heavy) move from Kwajalein Atoll, Marshall Islands to Saipan Island with B-24s; and the 9th Troop Carrier Squadron, Seventh Air Force, moves from Abemama Island, Gilbert Islands to Saipan Island with C-47s.
My father knew the pilot of the original "Sky Scow". My father was also in the 7th AAF, 30BG, 27BS, but came along later than "Sky Scow".
He met the pilot many decades later, in the same small town in South Carolina. They had been unaware of each other's war service until they met and the subject came up in conversation.
"Sky Scow" was shot up badly in a mission around New Hebrides and made it back to base where it went under heavy repair. During this time the crew went on rest leave. When "Sky Scow" went on a test flight, it crashed. It was then used for parts.
"Sky Scow II" replaced it and was shot down on its first and last mission. I would guess it did not have enough time to be painted up with nose art.
"Sky Scow III" came along and my father entered into the combat zone to begin his missions in another B-24 as it's co-pilot, then later as its pilot. He was friends with the officers of that crew and their tents were side by side. The night before "Sky Scow III" was shot down, the two crews got together and played cards.
It flew off the right wing of my father's plane when it was shot down by a large group of Zeroes (after it had lagged behind the rest of the formation).
Hope ths helps.
He met the pilot many decades later, in the same small town in South Carolina. They had been unaware of each other's war service until they met and the subject came up in conversation.
"Sky Scow" was shot up badly in a mission around New Hebrides and made it back to base where it went under heavy repair. During this time the crew went on rest leave. When "Sky Scow" went on a test flight, it crashed. It was then used for parts.
"Sky Scow II" replaced it and was shot down on its first and last mission. I would guess it did not have enough time to be painted up with nose art.
"Sky Scow III" came along and my father entered into the combat zone to begin his missions in another B-24 as it's co-pilot, then later as its pilot. He was friends with the officers of that crew and their tents were side by side. The night before "Sky Scow III" was shot down, the two crews got together and played cards.
It flew off the right wing of my father's plane when it was shot down by a large group of Zeroes (after it had lagged behind the rest of the formation).
Hope ths helps.
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Ok, and now i had just made a fine pic showing it
First arrow show the W and the second show what could be Roman numerals (i think it is).
Are the two guys top left the same in both pics?
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My uncle bottom right. Buford Tidwell from Birmingham, Alabama.
