cheddar cheese
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Anyone have any information or pictures (ESPECIALLY PICUTRES) on the CANT Z.1014, the 4 engined heavy that competed for production with the P.108 but lost because it was too costly? Anything would be great. Thanks! 
CANT Z.1014
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the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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oh dear gods there was more than one italiant heavy bomber 
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cheddar cheese
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Yeah, I think there was 3 
The CANT was the best but wasnt accepted because it cost too much and they went with the P.108.
The CANT was the best but wasnt accepted because it cost too much and they went with the P.108.
SM79Sparviero
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Cant Z1014:
Projected in 1938 for the public competition BGR ( Bombardiere a Grande Raggio=long range bomber)
Engine: Alfa Romeo 135 RC 18 cylinders 1400 HP ( a double Alfa Romeo 126, an italian variant of Bristol Pegasus).
Wing lenght : 36 mt
wing surface:135 sq. mts
dry weight , unloaded: 14.150 kg
maximum speed ( projected): 516 km/ h at 4100 mts ceiling.
Bomb load:from 1000 kg ( maximum range) to 3500 kg
maximum range : 4000 Km
armament: 6 12.7 mm Breda-safat machine guns ( data from Le Officine Aeronautiche CANT -Giancarlo Garello-Decio Zorini -Ufficio Storico Aeronautica Militare) or 6 20 mm Mg-151 guns ( data from Dimensione Cielo , ediz. Bizzarri, vol n. 6).
CZ 1014 was the winner of the public competition but it was rejected when Piaggio P.108 was offered with a 50 % discount.
In any place, in any time, in any gouvernment or ideology "pecunia non olet"="money doesn't stink".
P108 was not much worse , CZ 1014 would have sufered its same troubles linked to the same Piaggio or Alfa-Romeo 135 unreliable engines.
Projected in 1938 for the public competition BGR ( Bombardiere a Grande Raggio=long range bomber)
Engine: Alfa Romeo 135 RC 18 cylinders 1400 HP ( a double Alfa Romeo 126, an italian variant of Bristol Pegasus).
Wing lenght : 36 mt
wing surface:135 sq. mts
dry weight , unloaded: 14.150 kg
maximum speed ( projected): 516 km/ h at 4100 mts ceiling.
Bomb load:from 1000 kg ( maximum range) to 3500 kg
maximum range : 4000 Km
armament: 6 12.7 mm Breda-safat machine guns ( data from Le Officine Aeronautiche CANT -Giancarlo Garello-Decio Zorini -Ufficio Storico Aeronautica Militare) or 6 20 mm Mg-151 guns ( data from Dimensione Cielo , ediz. Bizzarri, vol n. 6).
CZ 1014 was the winner of the public competition but it was rejected when Piaggio P.108 was offered with a 50 % discount.
In any place, in any time, in any gouvernment or ideology "pecunia non olet"="money doesn't stink".
P108 was not much worse , CZ 1014 would have sufered its same troubles linked to the same Piaggio or Alfa-Romeo 135 unreliable engines.
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cheddar cheese
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Thankyou very very much! 8)
mosquitoman
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Looks even uglier than that Piaggio monster that you love so much
I agree it is a very unattractive plane.mosquitoman said:
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cheddar cheese
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In side profile its pretty ugly I agree, and from the top theres a resemblance to the Lancaster. The Piaggio is a beautiful plane however, Especially the A, C and T which have beautiful, smooth curves.
SM79Sparviero
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"de gustibus non disputandum est"
I like ,more than the appearance not ugly ( but it is only a subjective opinion), the innovative ideas in this project:
-The streamlined fuselage , a design that will be repeated by engineer Zappata in 1940 for CANT Z-1018 medium bomber.
You can see that the transverse section of the fuselage is comparable to the section of the wing
A bomber with such a narrow fuselage didn't exist in 1938 yet,in 1945 an heavy bomber woould have been built by Junkers (Ju-288), in 1939 the twin-engined Lioret et Olivier LEO 451 with a comparable fuselage flew and showed excellent speed ( 500 km/h with 1075 HP radial engines) and handling performances, .With a better streamlined design of the engine nacelles (ex NACA-style) Italy could have in 1940 a heavy bomber which flew at 550 Km/h
-As a direct consequence of such a narrow fuselage the bomb bay could not be huge, so the smart idea of two small bomb bays in the outer engine nacelle , each for two 250 kg or 3- 160 kg weapons.
-The defence weapon system was the most powerful than any bomber , the serial aircrafts had to be armed by 6 Mg-151 or, more probably for economical motivations, with a mix of 12.7 and 20 mm guns.Each weapon can aim and shoot with a large free field.A weak undefended point exists;it is the bow as in most of WW2 bombers , but this problem could be quite easily resolved by a Breda-Z turret or by a light and small Caproni-Lanciani secon turret behind the pilot cockpit.....
It would not be an easy prey for Hurricane and Spitfires mk V, if its Alfa-Romeo engines just work decently for some hours.......
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cheddar cheese
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Pretty remarkable! Its a shame that Italian engines werent the most powerful or must reliable, which seems odd considering the pre-war history of Italian aviation with planes such as the MC.72...
