Combat records - claims vs. losses

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In the past, when considering operational history of aircraft, pilots or units in WW2, we have usually had to rely on unit and pilot records of claims without having much access to the actual losses on the other side. Some early efforts to check records of both sides were uneven and not very accurate. In more recent years however many publications and associated teams of researchers have emerged who are checking the actual loss records against claims on both sides with a fair amount of rigor. This perhaps represents a starting point in developing a clearer picture of the actual reality of war in this Theater.

The purpose of this thread is to create a centralized place to aggregate this kind of 'hard' data for use as a reference in other discussions on this board and elsewhere.

Just including those I have read, a few of these authors / sources include:
These are just a few that I have and have found useful. I know there are now at least a half dozen others (feel free to post them). The criteria are that the book include records from both sides in a given part of the conflict.

* Shores second series of books starting in the 2010s includes many more sources than were included in his first (1960's and 70s) books, for the MTO including some of the Italian records which changes the ratios quite a bit.

In several other threads these statistics have come up in the context of aircraft types including the Gladiator, Hurricane, P-39, P-40, Spitfire, Martlet, Fulmar, Beaufighter, Ki-43, A6M, Ki-61, Yak 1, La 5, Pe 2, Bf 110, Bf 109, Fw 190, CR 42, MC 200, Mc 202 and others. It has also come up many times in the context of the combat records of Aces and experten, and the records of different units and air forces.

The purpose of this thread is to aggregate this data, and also to double-check and verify it.. It is intended to be a resource which can be used as a reference in other discussions. So three kinds of posts are welcome in the thread:
  1. Transcriptions of hard data from sources which include claim loss records from both sides (please include your source and page number and / or date).
  2. New references with this kind of information, of the type in the list above.
  3. Corrections and clarifications to the above two types of posts.
I will begin to post some data from Shores MAW Volume I just to get things started, but any data of this type from any Theater is welcome.
 
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Some data from MAW Vol 1 - Western Desert, June 1941

For the sake of readability here I'm only including shot down or crash / force landed aircraft, and 'confirmed' claims. Severely damaged aircraft, claims by Aces and other details or trivia will be included in comments after the stats. Also if anyone has suggestions on formatting to make this easier to read or follow please chime in. Not including losses to Flak except in notes if they seem like they might be relevant. Only recording days with significant air-to-air combat.

EDIT: This is the whole month of June 1941

3 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF, (Hurricane I), 274 Sqn
Claims: 1 x Bf 109
Losses: 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 2 x KiA


One Hurricane loss may have been due to Flak

German
Units 2./JG 27
Claims 1 x Hurricane
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7
Casualties: -


3 Aircraft destroyed on the ground by strafing Hurricanes

9 June 1941
British
Units: 73 Sqn RAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units 1./JG 27
Claims 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


14 June 1941
British
Units: 2 SAAF (Hurricane I), 1 SAAF Hurricane), 24 SAAF (Maryland)
Claims: 1 x Bf 110, 2 x Ju 87
Losses: 6 x Hurricane, 2 x Maryland
Casualties: 7 x KiA, 4 x PoW


German
Units 1./JG 27, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109), 2 (H)./14
Claims 3 x Hurricane, 2 Martin 167
Losses: - 1 x Bf 110
Casualties: -1 x PoW


15 June 1941

British
Units: 6, 73, 213, and 273 Sqn RAF (Hurricane), 39 Sqn (Maryland)
Claims: 2 x Bf 109, 1 x Bf 110, 1 x CR 42, 1 x HS 126
Losses: 9 x Hurricane I, 1 x Hurricane "Cannon" (Mk II?), 1 x Maryland
Casualties: 5 x KiA, 1 x PoW


Two more Hurricanes "badly damaged" in combat. One of the lost Hurricanes may have been shot down by friendly AA

German
Units: 1., 2., 3. Stab I./JG 27 (BF 109E),7./JG 26 (Bf 109E), 2(H)/14 (Hs 126)
Claims: 10 x Hurricane, 1 x Blenheim, 1x Martin 167
Losses: 3 x Bf 109E-7, Hs 126
Caualties: 3 KiA


Italian
Units: 358 Sq, 2 Gr CT, 20 Gr CT (MC. 200)
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


16 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I), 215 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn, Tomahawk II
Claims: 1 x G.50, 2 x Ju 87, 3 x Bf 109
Losses: 3 x Hurricane I
Casualties: 1 KiA


German
Units: 3./JG 27, 1./JG 27, 2/JG 27 (BF 109E)
Claims: 3 x Hurricane
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7, 1 x Ju-87
Caualties: 1 PoW


Italian
Units: 358 Sq, 2 Gr CT, 20 Gr CT (MC. 200)
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


17 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF, 73 Sqn, 229 Sqn, 33 Sq, 274 Sqn (all Hurricane I) 805 Sqn (Brewster Buffalo - !!)
Claims: 3 x G.50, 1 x Bf 109, 4 x Ju 87, 2 x Bf 110
Losses: 7 x Hurricane I, 1 x Buffalo (!!)
Casualties: 2 KiA, 3 x MiA, 3 x PoW


2 Hurricanes lost to AAA

German
Units: 7./Jg 26, 8./26, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109E) , II.StG 2, 6./StG 2 (Ju 87)
Claims: 12 x Hurricane, 1 x Brewster
Losses: 1 x Ju 87
Casualties: 1 KiA


One of the Stukas claimed a Hurricane

Italian
Units: 15- Sq. 359 Sq (MC. 200)
Claims: 3 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


18 June 1941

British
Units: 250 Sqn RAF (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: -
Losses: 4 x Tomahawk
Casualties: 3 x KiA


First combat losses of Tomahawks

German
Units: 1./JG 27, 7./JG 26
Claims: 3 x Brewster
Losses: -


One Bf 109E 40% damaged

Italian
Units: 378 Sq Aut (CR 42)
Claims-
Losses: 1 x CR 42


24 June 1941

British
Units: 274 Sqn (Hurricane I), 6 Sqn (Hurricane I)
Claims: 1 x SM.79
Losses: 1 x Hurricane Mk I
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units: 7./JG 26
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -


Italian
Units: 279 Sq (SM.79)
Claims:
Losses: 1 x SM. 79

Casualties - 3 x KiA, 1x PoW

25 June 1941

British
Units: 6 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk II)
Claims: 1 x G.50
Losses: 1 x Hurricane Mk I
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units: 1., 2./JG 27 (Bf 109E)
Claims: 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -


26 June 1941

British
Units: 71 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 1 x Ju-87, 2 x Bf 109, 1 x G.50
Losses: 2 x Tomahawk, 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


Hurricane unit only claimed 1 x Ju 87. KiA was from 250 Sqn (the Tomahawk unit). All of the Bf 109 claims were by Tomahawk pilots.

German
Units: 2./JG 27, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109E), II(K( lG 1
Claims: 3 x P-40, 1 x Hurricane, 2 x Blenheims
Losses: 3 x Bf 109E-7 (crash landed)
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German losses were crash-landings

30 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I), 274 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 4 x Ju 87, 2 x Bf 110, 1 x G.50, 1 x MC.200
Losses: 1 x Hurricane, 2 x Tomahawk (one was force landing at base)
Casualties: 2 x KiA


German
Units: 7./ZG 26 (Bf 110
Claims: 1 x Hurricane, 1 x P-40
Losses: 2 x Bf-110
Casualties: 2 x MiA


Italian
Units: 83 Sq (MC 200), 353 (MC 200), 239 Sq (Ju 87)
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: -
Casualties: 1 x MiA


1 x Italian Ju 87 hit by AA

Totals for the month:

British
Claims: 32
Losses: 48 (36 Hurricanes, 8 Tomahawks, 3 Marylands, 1 F2A Buffalo (!!)


German
Claims: 56
Losses: 12 (2 x Bf 110, 7 x Bf 109, 2 x Ju 87, 1 x Hs 126)


Italian
Claims: 5
Losses: 2 ( 1 x CR 42, 1 x SM 79)


(Edited with corrections by Stig1207)
 
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Some data from MAW Vol 1 - Western Desert, July1941

This is the air to air combat for the whole month of July 1941

7 July 1941
British

Units: 250 RAF (Tomahawk IIb), 73 Sqn RAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: 1 x G.50
Losses: 4 x Hurricane
Casualties: - 4 x MiA


One more Hurricane missing (presume lost to AAA). The claim for the G.50 was by Caldwell

German
Units 1./JG 27, Stab I./JG 27 (Bf 109E7)
Claims 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


These claims were recorded for the 8th but apparently apply to the 7th.

Italian
Units 353 Sq (MC 200)
Claims 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -2 KiA, 1 WiA


15 July 1941
British

Units: 73 RAF (Hurricane I), 229 Sqn RAF (Hurricane), 2 SAAF (Tomahawk)
Claims: 6 x Ju 87, 1 x Bf 110
Losses: 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: - 2 x KiA


One Hurricane and 1 Tomahawk 'badly damaged' and 2 Tomahawk slightly damaged but all four made it back to base.

German
Units 8./ZG 26 (Bf 110), 7./JG 26 (Bf 109)
Claims 5 x P-40
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7, 3 x Ju 87
Casualties: -2 KiA, 1 WiA


Worth noting that the German claims were for P-40s even though they actually only got Hurricanes. This happened a lot in 1941-42

19 July 1941
British

Units: 73 RAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: - 1 x KiA


One additional Hurricane damaged

German
Units 1./JG 27, 3./JG 27
Claims 3 x P-40
Losses: -
Casualties: -


29 July 1941
British

Units: 72 SAAF (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 3 x Ju 87, 2 x Bf 109
Losses: 2 x Tomahawk
Casualties: - 1 x KiA, 1 x PoW


Three Tomahawks minor damage

German
Units 7./JG 26 (Bf 109), 2./StG 1 (Ju 87)
Claims 4 x P-40
Losses: - 1 x Ju 87
Casualties: 1 x KiA, 1 x WiA


One Ju 87 was damaged with the gunner wounded

Italian
Units 372 Sq (MC 200), 353 Sq (G.50), 209 Sq (Ju 87R)
Claims -
Losses: - 1 x MC 200, 1 x G.50, 1 x Ju 87
Casualties: -1 x KiA, 1 x MiA, 1 x PoW


In this case the British seem to have confused kills of Italian fighters for Bf 109s.

Totals for the month of July:

British
Claims: 12
Losses: 9 (7 x Hurricanes, 2 x Tomahawks)

German
Claims: 14
Losses: 5 (1 x Bf 109E-7, 4 x Ju 87)

Italian
Claims: 2
Losses: 3 ( 1 x MC 200, 1 x G50., 1 x Ju 87)

(I may have made mistakes on these totals because I was just eyeballing it, correct me if I'm wrong here)
 
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Some data from MAW Vol 1 - Western Desert, August 1941

This is the air to air combat for the whole month of August 1941

2 August 1941
British

Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: 4 x Ju 87, 1 x Bf 109
Losses: 3 x Hurricane
Casualties: - 2 x KiA, 1 x PoW


German
Units 1./JG 27 (Bf 109), 1./StG 1 26 (Ju 87)
Claims 3 x P-40, 1 x Hurricane
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7 (Crash landed, 50% damage), 2 x Ju 87
Casualties: -2 x KiA


German claims were for P-40s again even though they actually only got Hurricanes. The Italians of 372 and 374 sqn also made claims for 2 Hurricanes probable.

5 August 1941
British

Units: 73 RAF (Huricane I)
Claims: 1 x Bf 110
Losses: - 1 x Maryland II, 1 x Hurricane (crash landed on beach, pilot Ok)
Casualties: - 3 x MiA (Maryland crew)


This was a night mission.

German
Units 8./ZG 26
Claims 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


Italian
Units 10 Sq (SM.79)
Claims -
Losses: 1 x SM.79
Casualties: -


The Italian SM.79 crew bailed out.

8 August 1941
(two Hurricanes claimed Bf 110s, two Bf 110sclaimed a Hurricane and a P-40, no actual casualties or damage on either side

9 August 1941
(friendly fire incident in which a Hurricane shot down a Blenheim IV)

10 August 1941
British

Units: 451 RAF (Huricane I)
Claims: 1 x Hs 126
Losses: -
Casualties: -


Both aircraft were on recon missions

German
Units 2.(H)/I4
Claims -
Losses: 1 x Hs 126
Casualties: -


11 August 1941
British

Units: 2 SAAF Tomahawk II)
Claims: 1 x Bf 110
Losses: -
Casualties: -


German
Units 1./NJG 3
Claims -
Losses: 1 x Bf 110
Casualties: -


16 August 1941
British

Units: 274 Sqn (Hurricane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


One Hurricane was destroyed by a gunners return fire from what they believed was an Sm.79

Italian
Units Unknown (SM.79)
Claims -
Losses: -
Casualties: -


18 August 1941

British
Units: 250 Sqd (Tomaahwk II)
Claims 0
Losses 21 Tomahawk shot down (+ 1 Tomahawk badly damaged and crashed on landing)


(i.e. they do claim 1 probable and 1 damaged 109).

German
Units: 2./ Jg27 (Bf 109E)
Claims 1 P-40
Losses 0


21 August 1941
British

Units: 2 SAAF Sqn (Tomahawk IIb), RNFS (Hurricane I) 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 4 x Bf 110, 1 x Bf 109
Losses: - 2 x Tomahawk, 3 x Hurricanes, 3 x Maryland II
Casualties: 1 x KiA


One Tomahawk and 1 Maryland damaged

German
Units 2./JG 27, 7./ZG 26, 8./ZG 26,1/JG 27
Claims 5 x P-40, 5 x Martin 167, 4 x Hurricane
Losses: 2 x Bf 110
Casualties: -2 x KiA, 1 x WiA


23 August 1941
British

Units: 2 SAAF Sqn (Tomahawk IIb), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb), 260 Sqn RAF (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 2 x Ju 88
Losses: -
Casualties:-


One Ju 88 was a shared claim

German
Units 7./LG 1
Claims -
Losses: 1 x Ju 88
Casualties: -2 x KiA, 2 x MiA, 1 x PoW


26 August 1941
British

Units: 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb), RNS (Hurricane I)
Claims: 2 x Bf 109
Losses: - 1 x Tomahawk (crash landed), 1 x Hurricane
Casualties:-1 WiA, 1 x KiA


I think RNFS means Royal Navy. Tomahawk pilot broke his ankle on crash landing. Hurricane pilot was killed.

German
Units 1./JG 27
Claims 1 x P-40, 2 x Hurricanes
Losses: -
Casualties: -


28 August 1941
British

Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: -
Losses: - 1 x Hurricane I
Casualties:-1 WiA


German
Units 1./JG 27
Claims 1 x Hurricanes
Losses: -
Casualties: -


This victory was by Joachim Marseille

29 August 1941
(This was the famous encounter between Werner Shorer and Caldwell, which Shores says there are no corroborating records for on the Axis side. Shorer made a claim for a p-40. Two Ju 88s were destroyed by Flak)

Totals for the month of August:

British
Claims: 19
Losses: 19 (10 x Hurricanes I, 5 x Tomahawk IIs, 4 x Maryland II)

German
Claims: 25
Losses: 8 (1 x Bf 109E-7, 3 x Bf 110, 2 x Ju 87, 1 x HS 126)

Italian
Claims: 0*
Losses: 1 ( 1 x SM 79)

* In Spite of not making any claims in the month, an Italian gunner on an SM 79 seems to have shot down a Hurricane)

(I may have made mistakes on these totals because I was just eyeballing it, correct me if I'm wrong here)
 
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Some data from MAW Vol 1 - Western Desert, September 1941

This is the air to air combat for the whole month of September 1941

3 September 1941
British

Units: 2 SAAF (Tomahawk II, 451 Sqn (Hurricane 1), 1 Sqn (Hurricane I)
Claims: 6 x G.50
Losses: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: - 1 x KiA


All of the claims were by Tomahawk pilots. One Tomahawk was also shot down by friendly AA after the battle

Italian
Units: 20, 353, 352, & 151 Sq (G.50)
Claims: 4 x P-40, 9 x Hurricane
Losses: 4 x G.50
Casualties: 3 x KiA, 1 x PoW


There was also a German claim from an unknown unit for a Hurricane.

5 September 1941
British

Units: 2 SAAF (Tomahawk II), 272 (Beaufighter)
Claims: -
Losses: 1 x Tomahawk, 1 x Beaufighter
Casualties: 1 x KiA, 2 x MiA


Beaufighter was "lost to enemy action"

German
Units 1./JG 27
Claims 1 x P-40
Losses: -
Casualties: -


6 September
(11 Allied fighters destroyed on the ground by Italian strafing raid of G.50s)

9 September 1941
British

Units: 33 RAF (Hurircane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 3 x Hurricane
Casualties: 2 x KiA


German
Units: 1./JG 27, 3./JG 27, Stab I./JG 27
Claims: 5 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


13 September 1941
British

Units: 451 RAF (Hurircane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units: 3./JG 27, Stab I./JG 27
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -

This was a victory by Joachim Marseille

14 September 1941
British

Units: 112 RAF (Tomahawk II), 33 RAF (Hurricane I), 3 RAAF (Tomahawk II), 24 SAAF (Maryland II)
Claims: 3 x Bf 109, 1 x Ju 88, 1 x SM.79
Losses: 5 x Hurricane, 2 x Tomahawk , 1 x Maryland
Casualties: 3 x KiA, 1 x WiA


One of the lost Tomahawks was a crash landing, pilot later walked back to base.

German
Units: 3./JG 27, I./JG 27
Claims: 5 x Hurricane, 2 x P-40
Losses: 1 x Bf 110
Casualties: - 1 x WiA


Italian
Units: 374 sq (MC 2000), 372 sq (MC 200), 18 Sq (SM 79),
Claims: 2 x Tomahawk
Losses: 1 x MC.200, 1 x SM. 79
Casualties: - 1 x WiA, 4 x MiA


11 x Italian Ju 87s are listed as having force-landed in enemy territory due to running out of Fuel.

24 September 1941
British

Units: 3 RAAF (Tomahawk II), 1 SAAF (Hurricane I),
Claims: (some probables etc.)
Losses: 3 x Hurricane, 1 x Tomahawk
Casualties: 1 WiA


One of the lost Tomahawks was a crash landing, pilot later walked back to base.

German
Units: 3./JG 27
Claims: 6 x Hurricane, 2 x P-40, 1 x Martin 167
Losses: -
Casualties: -


27 September 1941
British

Units: 250 RAF (Tomahawk II), 33 RAF (Hurricane I), 21 SAAF (Maryland)
Claims: 5 x Bf 109
Losses: 2 x Hurricane, 1 x Tomahawk, 1 x Maryland
Casualties: 1 KiA


No corresponding losses for these claims. Two of the Bf 109 claims were by Maryland gunners.

German
Units: 1./JG 27, 3./JG 27, Stab I./JG 27
Claims: 2 x Hurricane, 1 x P-40, 2 x Martin 167
Losses: -
Casualties: -


28 September 1941
(two British claims, 1 by 250 Sqn Tomahawk, one by a Martlet of 805 Sqn, no corresponding Axis losses recorded)

Totals for the month of September:

British
Claims: 16
Losses: 23 (15 x Hurricanes I, 5 x Tomahawk IIs, 2 x Maryland II, 1 x Beaufighter)

German
Claims: 27
Losses: 1 (1 x Bf 110)

Italian
Claims: 15
Losses: 6 ( 4 x G.50, 1 x MC.200, 1 x SM 79)

(I may have made mistakes on these totals because I was just eyeballing it, correct me if I'm wrong here)
 
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Summary with subtotals for June-September 1941

British Claims: 32+13+19+16=80
British Losses: 48+9+19+23=99

German Claims: 34+14+25+27=122
German Losses: 12+5+8+1=26

Italian Claims: 5+2+0+15=22
Italian Losses: 3+3+1+6=13

Total British Claims 80 vs. Total Axis Losses 39 (overclaiming ratio 2.05-1)
Total Axis Claims 141 vs total British Losses 95 (overclaiming ratio 1.45-1)

(Revised after corrections)
 
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Some data from MAW Vol 1 - Western Desert, June 1941

For the sake of readability here I'm only including shot down or crash / force landed aircraft, and 'confirmed' claims. Severely damaged aircraft, claims by Aces and other details or trivia will be included in comments after the stats. Also if anyone has suggestions on formatting to make this easier to read or follow please chime in. Not including losses to Flak except in notes if they seem like they might be relevant. Only recording days with significant air-to-air combat.

EDIT: This is the whole month of June 1941

3 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF, (Hurricane I), 274 Sqn
Claims: 1 x Bf 109
Losses: 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 2 x KiA


One Hurricane loss may have been due to Flak

German
Units 2./JG 27
Claims 1 x Hurricane
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7
Casualties: -


3 Aircraft destroyed on the ground by strafing Hurricanes

9 June 1941
British
Units: 73 Sqn RAF (Hurricane I)
Claims: -
Losses: 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units 1./JG 27
Claims 2 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


14 June 1941
British
Units: 2 SAAF (Hurricane I), 1 SAAF Hurricane), 24 SAAF (Maryland)
Claims: 1 x Bf 110, 2 x Ju 87
Losses: 6 x Hurricane, 2 x Maryland
Casualties: 7 x KiA, 4 x PoW


German
Units 1./JG 27, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109), 2 (H)./14
Claims 3 x Hurricane
Losses: - 1 x Bf 110
Casualties: -1 x PoW



15 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I), 215 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn, Tomahawk II
Claims: 1 x G.50, 2 x Ju 87, 3 x Bf 109
Losses: 3 x Hurricane I
Casualties: 1 KiA


German
Units: 3./JG 27, 1./JG 27, 2/JG 27 (BF 109E)
Claims: 3 x Hurricane
Losses: 1 x Bf 109E-7, 1 x Ju-87
Caualties: 1 PoW


Italian
Units: 358 Sq, 2 Gr CT, 20 Gr CT (MC. 200)
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


17 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF, 73 Sqn, 229 Sqn, 33 Sq, 274 Sqn (all Hurricane I) 805 Sqn (Brewster Buffalo - !!)
Claims: 3 x G.50, 1 x Bf 109, 4 x Ju 87, 2 x Bf 110
Losses: 9 x Hurricane I, 1 x Buffalo (!!)
Casualties: 2 KiA, 3 x MiA, 3 x PoW


German
Units: 7./Jg 26, 8./26, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109E) , II.StG 2, 6./StG 2 (Ju 87)
Claims: 12 x Hurricane, 1 x Brewster
Losses: 1 x Ju 87
Casualties: 1 KiA


One of the Stukas claimed a Hurricane

Italian
Units: 15- Sq. 359 Sq (MC. 200)
Claims: 3 x Hurricane
Losses: -
Casualties: -


18 June 1941

British
Units: 250 Sqn RAF (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: -
Losses: 4 x Tomahawk
Casualties: 3 x KiA


First combat losses of Tomahawks

German
Units: 1./JG 27, 7./JG 26
Claims: 3 x Brewster
Losses: -


One Bf 109E 40% damaged

Italian
Units: 378 Sq Aut (CR 42)
Claims-
Losses: 1 x CR 42


24 June 1941

British
Units: 274 Sqn (Hurricane I), 6 Sqn (Hurricane I)
Claims: 1 x SM.79
Losses: 1 x Hurricane Mk I
Casualties: 1 x KiA


German
Units: 7./JG 26
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Losses: -


Italian
Units: 279 Sq (SM.79)
Claims:
Losses: 1 x SM. 79

Casualties - 3 x KiA, 1x PoW

26 June 1941

British
Units: 71 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 1 x Ju-87, 2 x Bf 109, 1 x G.50
Losses: 2 x Tomahawk, 2 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1 x KiA


Hurricane unit only claimed 1 x Ju 87. KiA was from 250 Sqn (the Tomahawk unit). All of the Bf 109 claims were by Tomahawk pilots.

German
Units: 2./JG 27, 3./JG 27 (Bf 109E), II(K( lG 1
Claims: 3 x P-40, 1 x Hurricane, 2 x Blenheims
Losses: 3 x Bf 109E-7 (crash landed)
Casualties: 1 x KiA


30 June 1941

British
Units: 1 SAAF (Hurricane I), 274 Sqn (Hurricane I), 250 Sqn (Tomahawk IIb)
Claims: 4 x Ju 87, 2 x Bf 110, 1 x G.50, 1 x MC.200
Losses: 1 x Hurricane, 2 x Tomahawk (one was force landing at base)
Casualties: 2 x KiA


German
Units: 7./ZG 26 (Bf 110
Claims: 1 x Hurricane, 1 x P-40
Losses: 2 x Bf-110
Casualties: 2 x MiA


Italian
Units: 83 Sq (MC 200), 353 (MC 200), 239 Sq (Ju 87)
Claims: 1 x Hurricane
Casualties: 1x Ju 87
Casualties: 1 x MiA


Totals for the month:

British
Claims: 32
Losses: 37 (26 Hurricanes, 8 Tomahawks, 2 Marylands, 1 F2A Buffalo (!!)


German
Claims: 34
Losses: 9 (2 x Bf 110, 4 x Bf 109, 2 x Ju 87)


Italian
Claims: 5
Losses: 3 ( 1 x CR 42, 1 x SM 79, 1 x Ju 87)

14 June
2 x Martin 167 claimed by Germans

15 June data quoted above is actually for June 16

15 June
British claims 2 x bf 109, 1 Bf 110, 1 x Hs 126, 1 CR.42
Losses 10 x Hurricanes, 1 x Maryland

German claims
10 x Hurricanes, 1 x Blenheim , 1 x Martin 167
Losses 3 Bf109s, 1 x Hs 126

17 June
2 of the Hurricanes were lost to Flak / ground fire.

25 June
British claims 1 x G.50
losses 1 Hurricane

German claims 2 x Hurricanes

26 June

1 Bf 109 crashed, 1 crashlanded 30 % dam, 1 force-landed 25 % dam.

30 June
Italian Ju 87 hit by AA

Additions / corrections all from MAW vol . 1
 
7 July 1941
1 Claim (by 250 Sqn future Ace Clive Caldwell) for a G.50. No air to air losses reported on either side. 7 x Hurricane Mk 1 shot down by Flak while strafing airfields.

5 Hurricanes shotdown / MIA
1 Hurricane damaged by flak
all from 73 Sqd

2 Italian claims forHurricanes

8 July

2 German claims for Hurricanes with a note from the authors that they may actually relate to the combat of the 7th.
 
Thanks for the corrections, I'll update the post and toals accordingly. I'm not including entries for days when there appear to be no losses in actual air-to-air combat. I am including crash / force landed as shot down for both sides, regardless of the amount of damage.
 
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Regarding what constitutes "shot down"

The goal here is in part to verify claims. So from a pilots point of view, if he shot at an enemy aircraft, it sustained damage and then could no longer fly and ended up on the ground, then to me that is a verified claim. The ultimate fate of the shot down aircraft is a separate (though also important) issue.

So my criteria currently is that any plane which makes a crash or forced landing (i.e. it can no longer fly) is a victory, even if it's only due to a single bullet hole in the radiator. The ultimate fate of shot down aircraft is also an interesting subject (especially as relates to attrition warfare) but can be tricky to determine. That one aircraft with the single bullet hole might still be in the repair shop when the entire unit has to suddenly relocate as so often happened in the Western Desert. This is how the Allied units got a lot of 'pet' captured aircraft.

So I think you must separate the two - shot down vs. destroyed aircraft. And similarly for the losses to pilots and aircrew. Early war mortality seems to be very high in shoot downs and then it slowly declines as crew protection and bail-out techniques improved.

There are some borderline cases for example aircraft with light damage which crash landed on their own airfield. I think you have to take that on a case by case basis or just put an asterix next to them.

Because attrition of aircraft and crew also matter, I am trying to make note of aircraft which were downed or had a force landing but with relatively light damage (and thus probably repairable) vs. those destroyed or written off, and also the number of KiA, PoW, MiA and WiA so as to help estimate attrition of pilots and aircrew.
 
14 June
2 x Martin 167 claimed by Germans

15 June data quoted above is actually for June 16

15 June
British claims 2 x bf 109, 1 Bf 110, 1 x Hs 126, 1 CR.42
Losses 10 x Hurricanes, 1 x Maryland

German claims
10 x Hurricanes, 1 x Blenheim , 1 x Martin 167
Losses 3 Bf109s, 1 x Hs 126

17 June
2 of the Hurricanes were lost to Flak / ground fire.

25 June
British claims 1 x G.50
losses 1 Hurricane

German claims 2 x Hurricanes

26 June

1 Bf 109 crashed, 1 crashlanded 30 % dam, 1 force-landed 25 % dam.

30 June
Italian Ju 87 hit by AA

Additions / corrections all from MAW vol . 1

Ok I checked these and did the corrections for June. Let me know if you notice any for July, August and September. Once we are agreed on those, I'll go on to the next 4 months.
 
5 Hurricanes shotdown / MIA
1 Hurricane damaged by flak
all from 73 Sqd

2 Italian claims forHurricanes

8 July

2 German claims for Hurricanes with a note from the authors that they may actually relate to the combat of the 7th.
5 Hurricanes shotdown / MIA
1 Hurricane damaged by flak
all from 73 Sqd

2 Italian claims forHurricanes

8 July

2 German claims for Hurricanes with a note from the authors that they may actually relate to the combat of the 7th.

I basically agree, since there is one extra hurricane with no corresponding claim (or damaged / probable claim) I assigned that one to Flak. Updated the totals accordingly.
 
Summary with subtotals for June-September 1941

British Claims: 32+13+19+16=80
British Losses: 48+9+17+23=97

German Claims: 34+14+24+27=121
German Losses: 12+5+8+1=26

Italian Claims: 5+2+0+15=22
Italian Losses: 3+3+1+6=13

Total British Claims 80 vs. Total Axis Losses 39 (overclaiming ratio 2.05-1)
Total Axis Claims 141 vs total British Losses 95 (overclaiming ratio 1.47-1)

(Revised after corrections)
British were losing about 3 planes per Axis Kill.
The attrition was huge.
 
Ok I checked these and did the corrections for June. Let me know if you notice any for July, August and September. Once we are agreed on those, I'll go on to the next 4 months.

Ok, but I can't promise I can keep up with your pace :)
Right now I'm at work, so the books are not at hand.
 
Italian
Units 372 Sq (MC 200), 353 Sq (G.50), 209 Sq (Ju 87R)
Claims -
Losses: - 1 x MC 200, 1 x G.50, 1 x Ju 87
Casualties: -1 x KiA, 1 x MiA, 1 x PoW


In this case the British seem to have confused kills of Italian fighters for Bf 109s.

29 July

The Italian fighters seem not to have been involved in the action with 2 SAAF Tomahawks; Shores' narrative puts their losses some 4-5 hours earlier, and the MC 200 pilot is listed as KIFA, not KIA.

18 August is missing in your post:

250 Sqd
Claims 0 (i.e. they do claim 1 probable and 1 damaged 109)
Losses 1 Tomahawk shotdown + 1 Tomahawk badly damaged and crashed on landing

2/ Jg27
Claims 1 P-40
Losses 0

5 September

272 Sqd Beaufighter lost to enemy action, there is no Axis claim for it so perhaps should not be included in an 'air combat claims to losses' comparison.

No other quibbles from me.
 
29 July

The Italian fighters seem not to have been involved in the action with 2 SAAF Tomahawks; Shores' narrative puts their losses some 4-5 hours earlier, and the MC 200 pilot is listed as KIFA, not KIA.

What is KiFA?

Regarding these two Italian fighters, the Tomahawks do seem to have attacked the Italian Stukas per Shores in the text, and since no reason is given for the two Italian fighters lost, even if the sortie was supposedly a few hours earlier, they do correspond with claims on that day so I would assign them as combat losses. This is similar to the other incident in which Hurricanes were lost for unknown reason and Luftwaffe pilots made two claims registered a day later which we assigned to them. I'm going to use the same rules across the board. If they say lost to Flak or lost for unknown reasons but there are no corresponding claims, then don't count them. If there are corresponding claims then I will count them.

18 August is missing in your post:

250 Sqd
Claims 0 (i.e. they do claim 1 probable and 1 damaged 109)
Losses 1 Tomahawk shotdown + 1 Tomahawk badly damaged and crashed on landing

2/ Jg27
Claims 1 P-40
Losses 0

I'll add this.

5 September

272 Sqd Beaufighter lost to enemy action, there is no Axis claim for it so perhaps should not be included in an 'air combat claims to losses' comparison.

No other quibbles from me.

I think since there is no corresponding claim we leave this one out.

I'll add in another 4 months now.
 

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