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That's what they said about the conventional bombs and then the fire bombs. It didn't happen. Unless we are talking about one nuke every few days, in a totalitarian state like Nazi-Germany, the effect would've been loss of life only.
Dihedral/anhedral (angle the wing makes with the fuselage, looking from the front: Dihedral-wing tips are higher than the base, anhedral-wing tips are below base (droop) ) has nothing to do with wing twist (twisting of wing to ensure stall occurs first inside ailerons).
I don't think the Ta-183 was anywhere near deployment in '45, maybe the end of '46. Too many unknown transonic aero problems and configuration control couplings to fix. In Argentina, Tank and his German design team had a tough time with control and stall problems. I think you are waving a magic wand of German engineering over a very complex and advanced design (like the Horton), and saying everything will work as planned.
Soren, T-tails are inherantly problematic, though there was an alternate tail design (from design III) which looked more promising.
A military revolt would have ensued after a couple of cities dissapeared.
The Loss of Hamburg and Suttgart (to pick a pair of cities at random) would be an unrecoverable loss, especially if it was timed to coincide with a massive allied ground attack.
Soren,
But if the (type II) horizontal stabilizer was blanked, wouldn't that still have a dramatic change of trim?
Similarly wasn't it found that using elevons for control in such conditions was problematic arrangement in its own right. (as with the X-4 and DH.108 Swallow, though it didn't seem too much of a problem on the Delta configuration)
However looking at the Ta-183 there doesn't seem to be any dihedral or anhedral at all.
I disagree, the German understanding of the transsonic region was pretty good by 45 and completely unrivalled.
Furthermore the Ta-183 project would benefit a lot from German high speed research studies made in 1945, not to mention the planned test flying of the P.1101 prototype.
The lower wing placement would ensure that wouldn't happen as the critical AoA of the wing would be reached first. But if it did get blanked by the wings then it wouldn't matter anaway as it would only zero the trim, the elevons controlling the pitch of the a/c.
No it isn't a problem, it's just more complicated build. Remember the Me-163 used the same system and it was an excellent flying platform (Too bad the engine was a bomb waiting to explode).
I overlaid the 2000ft. and 1000ft. radius of blast over Hamburg (3rd picture) and it doesn´t even cover the old, 14th century area ofthe city (yellow line), not to speak of ww2 area. All of Hamburg is build from structures comparable to those of Hieroshima, which remained standing. A nuke would just reassemble the debris caused by the various conventional bombing raids that city was subject to. It would -in my opinion- not have the power to wipe out large cities as long as the building structure was NOT WOODEN. Nagasaki and Hiroshima are not very large cities.
Please note also the image taken from Hieroshima at ground zero: The area destruction effect caused by blast and heat effects is remarkable and frightening but The concrete buildings do not show much damage, as a matter of fact, they remain standing (1st picture).
I overlaid historic photographs of Nagasaki before after the bomb with the current google earth picture (see below, 2nd picure). Note that the destructive force reduces greatly at a distance to point zero: At 1000ft. distance, bridges remained standing, at 1500 ft. distance, large factory buildings (no. 17) were heavy damaged but not destroyed.
It would require a nuke with a figure of merit of 60 to 80 compared to that dropped over Nagasaki to wipe out Hamburg.
Like I said, I didn't understand what this had to do with stall characteristics, anyway.
That magic wand. It was not much more than a paper plane.
This would have been invaluable and could have been the first swept wing fighter, but it would have taken awhile to integrate to get the data and integrate it into the 183. I still don't believe it would have been viable until late '46. Just too much of a technology leap. Did that engine ever work well? It seemed like a kludge.
If that tail mounted surface provided some stabilization, which it probably did, instability problems would probably occur.
I am not sure the Me-163 had to do very much low speed, high alpha maneuvering like the 183 would have to do. The Ta-183 seemed pretty close coupled in pitch, but then, so did the Northrop XP-56.
I assure you that an atomic bomb blast in the middle of any German city would have stunned and paralyzed the Germans. It would have been felt and seen and heard for miles around. Those building you see standing were reinforced, earthquake-proof structures. I doubt any of the German buildings had that type of reinforcements. Most were probably brick/stone, which, people from my neck of the woods, So. California, know are very poor at shearing forces such as earthquake and horrific wind.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did.Did I mention it ? I just responded to what Delcyros said.
Nope, no magic wand. The Germans were way ahead in transsonic research and high speed aerodynamics, and by 45 they had a very good understanding of the transsonic region and even the supersonic one.
If the war had went on a year then there's no reason to believe that Ta-183 wouldn't have made it. Remember how long it took from idea to realization with the He-162.
Well seeing that the Ta-183 used elevons I really don't see any real problems occuring. The Me-163 didn't even have any horizontal stabilizer.
Davparlr the Me-163 glided back home to land so you can be pretty sure that a lot of slow speed maneuvering was done with that a/c, and according to it's pilots it maneuvered excellently.
The Me-163 featured integrated wing slots btw.
I respect you differing opinion but remain unchangd in my disagreeing.
If the war had went on a year then there's no reason to believe that Ta-183 wouldn't have made it. Remember how long it took from idea to realization with the He-162.
Your opinion differs from that of the EHK in a discussion of the single engined jet fighters dating to feb. 22, 1944. The elevons of the Ta-183 in combination of high sweep ar were considered likely to give trouble at high mach fractions (including the possibility of "Umkehrwirkung").Well seeing that the Ta-183 used elevons I really don't see any real problems occuring. The Me-163 didn't even have any horizontal stabilizer.