CRJ900 accident in Toronto, Canada (1 Viewer)

[fubar57]

Delta plane that crashed at Pearson airport was travelling at high rate of descent, prelim report suggests | CBC News

A warning system on the Delta Air Lines flight that crashed at Pearson airport last month sent an alert indicating a high rate of descent less than three seconds before the plane touched down, according to a preliminary report.

www.cbc.ca

 

[MiTasol]

Darn it - no link to the actual report and I hate newspaper and ambulance chaser interpretations of any report. I will see if I can find it tomorrow - too tired now.

 

[AerialTorpedoDude69]

The Canadian Transportation Security Board published this page:

Air transportation safety investigation A25O0021 - Transportation Safety Board of Canada

View preliminary reportThe occurrenceOn 17 February 2025, a CRJ-900 aircraft, manufactured by Bombardier, operated by Delta Endeavor Air, was conducting a flight from Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport, Minnesota, to Toronto/Lester B. Pearson International Airport (CYYZ), Ontario.

www.tsb.gc.ca

But their web design is practically falling apart. Going off what I could see from the assets that loaded, the rate of descent was too fast and the right gear collapsed.

A Admiral Beez and cammerjeff (and myself) were right about the rate of descent being too fast. But certainly there were other conditions which caused the collapse of the landing gear. Ice and snowy conditions are known to specifically make landing more problematic because they can lead to faster descent rates.

 

[AerialTorpedoDude69]

Accidental double post sorry guys

 

[MiTasol]

Thanks for the link. An excellent prelim report. Why they were landing at 150% of max decent rate with one wing low is yet to come. I am thinking that if they had landed on both mains simultaneously it is possible there would not have been any survivors.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Germane to thread:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdvkE55SeJw

 

[AerialTorpedoDude69]

Germane to thread:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdvkE55SeJw

Good video thank you for sharing! The comments are brutalizing the pilot and co-pilot, but I wonder what came out of their debriefings because as said in the video, their instrumentation may or may not have given accurate readings.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Good video thank you for sharing! The comments are brutalizing the pilot and co-pilot, but I wonder what came out of their debriefings because as said in the video, their instrumentation may or may not have given accurate readings.

The only real critique to me was the crew's missing the sink-rate issue, because Lemoine praised their performance otherwise. And I think missing +500' sink rate on an approach is fair to critique.

 

[MiTasol]

Good video thank you for sharing! The comments are brutalizing the pilot and co-pilot, but I wonder what came out of their debriefings because as said in the video, their instrumentation may or may not have given accurate readings.

Instrumentation should not be an issue as the critical instruments are duplicated and totally independent as in what the Capt sees and the FO sees come from two different sources. That way if one source fails the crew should quickly pick that variation in readings up and then follow the appropriate checklist. In an aircraft this modern the BITE system should throw an alert if the instruments are out by more than a minor amount.

 

[AerialTorpedoDude69]

Instrumentation should not be an issue as the critical instruments are duplicated and totally independent as in what the Capt sees and the FO sees come from two different sources. That way if one source fails the crew should quickly pick that variation in readings up and then follow the appropriate checklist. In an aircraft this modern the BITE system should throw an alert if the instruments are out by more than a minor amount.

That makes a lot of sense as to why so many people are saying that inexperience may have caused the crash. Most of them are pointing out that the captain had 3,500 hours of flight time and 700 hours in type and the copilot had only 70 in type. Complex flying conditions + inexperience + bad day = crash.

But the timing is strange. Right around when FAA inspectors are being fired and air traffic controllers are being threatened with being fired. I've got to think that someone skipped something on the ground.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Darn it - no link to the actual report and I hate newspaper and ambulance chaser interpretations of any report. I will see if I can find it tomorrow - too tired now.

Here's the report and a good professional summary.

Air transportation safety investigation A25O0021 - Transportation Safety Board of Canada

View preliminary reportThe occurrenceOn 17 February 2025, a CRJ-900 aircraft, manufactured by Bombardier, operated by Delta Endeavor Air, was conducting a flight from Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport, Minnesota, to Toronto/Lester B. Pearson International Airport (CYYZ), Ontario.

www.tsb.gc.ca

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOrn8yJc-w&pp=0gcJCWIABgo59PVc

 

[Admiral Beez]

In other news, Air China is returning to Canada after 33 years.

Air China Resumes Toronto Service in 2Q25 After 33-year Hiatus — AeroRoutes

Published at 0800GMT 27MAR25 Air China today (27MAR25) opened reservations for Beijing Capital – Toronto passenger service, marking the return of the carrier’s passenger service at Toronto since November 1992. From 20MAY25, the Star Alliance member will serve this route twice weekly with 3-class

www.aeroroutes.com

Flights from Canada to the US were down 70% in March 2025 vs. March 2024, and bookings from Canada to the US from April to August 2025 are down over 70%. So, I guess we'll be going elsewhere.

Canadian travelers are taking their loonies elsewhere, tanking demand for US flights

Data shows demand for flights from Canada to the US is down by more than 70% in the coming months.

www.usatoday.com