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I don't see why because my intention is to discuss integrated defence systems, so coastal guns, radar, air defence and coastal patrol.1st step - move this topic into 'WW2 General' sub-forum?
I agree. With much of the RN in the Atlantic and Med, most of these far flung places would need to rely on RAF and RAAF for any connection to the Empire.I don't see why because my intention is to discuss integrated defence systems, so coastal guns, radar, air defence and coastal patrol.
I agree. With much of the RN in the Atlantic and Med, most of these far flung places would need to rely on RAF and RAAF for any connection to the Empire.
Judging by its importance to the IJN and IJAF as a primary forward base and it's ideal location for protecting ANZ (see below), I suggest Britain and ANZ fortify Rabaul and make it a major RAF/RAAF base with a RN submarine base as well, akin to a Pacific Coastal Command.
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Here are some pics of the Japanese air base. Let's make this a RAF/RAAF base instead, with primary leadership and responsibility being on the Australians. With the war in Europe on and many aircraft needed in Malaya we can't expect the best British/CW at Rabaul until after war commences, but prepared defences, fuel, ammunition, spares could be in place, and torpedo strike and flying boats could operate from Rabaul in the pre-war period.
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But for this to work, we need Australia to take a greater interest in its own defence and RAAF. Australia needs to get CAC building fighters and strike aircraft in the late 1930s. Replace the Zeros and strike aircraft above at Rabaul with RAAF Boomerang fighters, and (improved) Woomera bombers, or licence-built Hawk 75s, Warhawks, Hurricanes, etc. Just get something in monoplane, retracting undercarriage layout into production at CAC in the 1930s, not 1940s.
The Complete History of the CAC CA-4 Wackett Bomber / CA-11 Woomera
Canada was on the ball, with production of the Hawker Hurricane starting pre-war in March 1939 when the British Air Ministry shipped a manufacturing pattern aircraft along with complete plans on microfilm to CC&F. Why didn't CAC see this and think, hmmm..... why don't we get a set? That's where Commonwealth cooperation should have happened, independent of Britain if need be.For this to work, we also need the government in London to encourage industrial development in Australia, for one, but also in their other imperial possessions. How would WW2 have looked had the Commonwealth and imperial possessions had strong industrial bases,
The question that should have been asked is "what is critical to the defence of Australia"? My answer would be Christmas and Cocos Islands as they are en route to India; the Timor archipelago, because they are en route to Singapore; and finally, the most essential one, Rabaul along with the outlying Islands of Manus, Bourgaineville and Guadalcanal. The question is how do you defend them? They need 13.5-in coastal guns to defend against battleships, 12-in guns to fire inland towards overland attackers, mobile radars like the SCR-270 to detect incoming aircraft, fighters, torpedo bombers, mine layers, dive bombers, medium bombers and patrol aircraft. There's lots of spare heavy guns from all those scrapped WW1 era British battleships. The choice of aircraft is yours. My choice would be Vanguards for fighters as they are immediately available and superior in performance to the Boomerang, the Beaufort and Wirraway, the Hudson and the Catalina.Canada was on the ball, with production of the Hawker Hurricane starting pre-war in March 1939 when the British Air Ministry shipped a manufacturing pattern aircraft along with complete plans on microfilm to CC&F. Why didn't CAC see this and think, hmmm..... why don't we get a set? That's where Commonwealth cooperation should have happened, independent of Britain if need be.
I mean Jesus mate, it's clear by the late 1930s that Japan is on the war path and that the UK isn't able or willing to come to your defence. Australia shouldn't have sent its army to North Africa and its navy and airmen to the ETO and Mediterranean. Instead it should have kept its arms at home, ready to provide the defence to Australia that Britain would not.
No way there's a budget for that. Singapore got some heavy guns because it's the primary naval base in the Far East, and no British or CW bases got radar. I like your thinking, but we'd better stick with the initial steps, and finding the funding and willing politicians.They need 13.5-in coastal guns to defend against battleships, 12-in guns to fire inland towards overland attackers, mobile radars
IMO, it's stopping the IJA from entering FIC in Sept. 1940. Stop that and the entire Japanese strategy in the Pacific War must change. So, when France asks Chamberlain to send the BEF to France, Britain needs to make it a condition that Australia can send two divisions into FIC to protect FIC from Japan. Do that and Australia, Malaya and DEI is safe... at least until Japan is ready to go full bore.The question that should have been asked is "what is critical to the defence of Australia"?
Okay, an alternative solution to harbour defence. We have three Iron Duke class battleships due for scrapping in 1932, one to be retained. What we do is steam them out to the four most critical harbours, remove half the heavy guns so that under the Washington Treaty rules they are demilitarised. Remove three rear heavy guns, add facilities for refuelling seaplanes. Later add SCR-270 mobile radar unit. So long as they can move around harbours but limited maintenance only. Should last forever. So Penang, Rabaul, Labuan, Hong Kong stations. Battleships in harbours difficult to destroy if their in shallow water, they just sink a bit. Maybe some extra AA protection. Tiger retained in UK.No way there's a budget for that. Singapore got some heavy guns because it's the primary naval base in the Far East, and no British or CW bases got radar. I like your thinking, but we'd better stick with the initial steps, and finding the funding and willing politicians.IMO, it's stopping the IJA from entering FIC in Sept. 1940. Stop that and the entire Japanese strategy in the Pacific War must change. So, when France asks Chamberlain to send the BEF to France, Britain needs to make it a condition that Australia can send two divisions into FIC to protect FIC from Japan. Do that and Australia, Malaya and DEI is safe... at least until Japan is ready to go full bore.
I don't trust the French to either keep their word or hold the line against either the IJN or the Việt Minh. I know they fought valiantly in the First World War, but they don't exactly have a reputation for military success.Perhaps FIC is a job for De Gaulle and his 100,000 troops from French Central Africa. We just need to hold South Vietnam to defend Malaya. Maybe a demilitarised zone in the centre.
Actually, Roosevelt offered shipping to Vichy to move some their troops to FIC, but nothing came of it.I don't trust the French to either keep their word or hold the line against either the IJN or the Việt Minh. I know they fought valiantly in the First World War, but they don't exactly have a reputation for military success.
I mean Jesus mate, it's clear by the late 1930s that Japan is on the war path
Okay, I meant that dumb rating now.
I'm not talking about defensive fortifications just harbour defence ships.Some of these defensive schemes require either no Washington Treaty of 1922 or a highly modified one.
I believe one of the provisions of this treaty was the prohibition of fortifying many of the Pacific Islands.
Different nations followed or flouted this part of the treaty to varying degrees. But building fortifications too early on some of these islands might have caused the Japanese to pull out of the treaty even sooner and start a naval arms race sooner.
An otherwise dead ship, sat in the mud like HMS Canopus may be seen as a defensive fortification.I'm not talking about defensive fortifications just harbour defence ships.
No, my Iron Dukes are seaplane tenders so not covered by the Washington Treaty. In any case, they're not sat in the mud until they get hit by bombs and or torpedoes.An otherwise dead ship, sat in the mud like HMS Canopus may be seen as a defensive fortification.
Anyway, we're in an aviation house here. Planes, not forts will slow the Japanese. Let's gets credible air power onto Rabaul, Penang, Malaya, etc. And there's no Washington Treaty on radar, so let's spend the fortifications' budget instead on getting chain stations set up where needed.
When completed in 1938 the Singapore naval base and fortifications cost £60 million, the equivalent to almost £3 billion today. Per Wikipedia in 1938 a single Spitfire cost £12,604. Singapore's quays and cannons cost the equal of over 4,700 Spitfires, or several times more than the entirety of Britain's renowned Chain Home radar system. Skip the forts and never-used graving docks, build proper radar-integrated air defence, based around sufficient quantities of competitive aircraft and well placed, army-protected air bases. The money for effective imperial defence in the Indo-Pacific was there, it was just blown on rubbish decisions.