Difference between G and K model Bf.109

[Wurger]

Hello Wurger,

Are you sure the G-10 ([5F]Black 12) is not an R-5? I though all G-10 recon would be R-5 (no MG131's). R2 would indicate either 4 x 23kg bomb, 4 x 50kg bomb, or 2 x Wfr.Gr.21 Mortars. I am unaware of any 'normal' G-10 with Nahaufklärungs gruppe 14. If there were, it would not carry the prefix iirc.

According to Kagero book about Bf109G/K and another one of another publisher the plane was G-10/R2. The R2 variant had no MG131s mounted and was equipped with Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 camera. But it might be just a typo.

 

[Ratsel]

Also, most bad weather 109's had an autopilot just for the rudder iirc.

According to Kagero book about Bf109G/K and another one of another publisher the plane was G-10/R2. The R2 variant had no MG131s mounted and was equipped with Rb 50/30 or Rb 75/30 camera.

I think they made a mistake

 

[Sagittario64]

Is it possible, that the 109 captured was painted in its captor's colors, and for some reason they tried to repaint it's original markings and they got the code messed up?
its a stupid suggestion but im just trying to help

 

[Wurger]

I think they made a mistake

It's possible. Especially that there are other mistakes in the Kagero publications quite often.

 

[Ratsel]

Yes those Kagero publications should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Denniss]

The MK 108 was not a standard equipment in WNF-built G-6 as they built 1159 vanilla G-6 and at least 1632 G-6/U4 (/U4 is the designation for MK 108-equipped 109G). Somewhere in late 1943 WNF completely switched to the /U4 subtype so a MK 108 was not surprising then.
The MK 108 was neither standard in the G-14 nor the G-10, both would carry the /U4 designation. It wouldn't be a surprise if WNF continued building G-10 and G-14 as /U4 variant although wasting it for a recon bird is indeed surprising.
Some 30+ /U4 variants were built in Hungary as well.

 

[Ratsel]

Precise information is like gold.. you've enriched my mind! Thanks!

 

[Sagittario64]

I thank you as well, Denniss

 

[Ratsel]

The MK 108 was not a standard equipment in WNF-built G-6 as they built 1159 vanilla G-6 and at least 1632 G-6/U4 (/U4 is the designation for MK 108-equipped 109G). Somewhere in late 1943 WNF completely switched to the /U4 subtype so a MK 108 was not surprising then.
The MK 108 was neither standard in the G-14 nor the G-10, both would carry the /U4 designation. It wouldn't be a surprise if WNF continued building G-10 and G-14 as /U4 variant although wasting it for a recon bird is indeed surprising.
Some 30+ /U4 variants were built in Hungary as well.

And interesting side note is that alot of G-5/AS G-6/AS came with the 3cm cannon. Makes sence do to ther High-Altitude Bomber-Interceptor role. Besides Erla-Antwerp, was there another factory that did AS conversions on G-5/G-6? Thanks.

 

[Denniss]

If my memory serves right then the /AS machines were used as top cover for the cannon boats with the aim to lurk the enemy fighters away from them.

 

[Ratsel]

If my memory serves right then the /AS machines were used as top cover for the cannon boats with the aim to lurk the enemy fighters away from them.

100% correct.. I just clump it into the viermot-toters intercept role.

 

[kettbo]

The pale gray blue planes pictured at Fassburg white 43 + -
I thought everything was sent East after Bodenplatte yet High Escort in 1945
Who was left trying to harass the bombers and all the Allied fighters?
If the /AS planes mostly had 30mm mk 108, I keep hearing stuff this was not a good weapon for fighter vs fighter yet here we have the special escort planes with the big low velocity 30mm

FWIW, I really enjoyed shooting the 40mm Mk-19 Grenade Machine Gun when I was in the Army. Looks much like a Mk 108

 

[Wildsau]

I can't contribute here but what a great read! cheers