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Most of these encounters are going to be a single plane (or perhaps 2-3 Skua's) encountering the German (or Italian) plane with both sides at cruising speeds and a lot depends on who sees who first AND what course the planes are steering. As an example if the Skua is 10mph faster than the axis plane and is 5 miles behind it even with a radar vector from a ship it it is going to take 30 minutes to catch the enemy. A lot of hide and seek among the clouds.
The scenario you paint was not the case for Skua ops over Norway, in which Skuas which accounted for 20 Luftwaffe aircraft in air-to-air kills plus another 12 destroyed in strafing attacks and 8 more that were destroyed when they crash-landed after the engagement (figures from "Flying Sailors at War" by Cull et al, and are actual German losses not merely Skua claims).
Air-to-air claims included:
1 x Dornier Do 26 Flying boat
3 x Dornier 18 flying boat
2 x Heinkel 115 floatplane
9 x Henkel 111 bomber
5 x Junkers Ju 88
There's some good info here:
Also recommend "Fledgling Eagles" by Shores et al that includes coverage of the Norwegian Campaign in 1940.
Yeah this is quite interesting. Of course it's claims rather than real verified victories, but they probably got a few of these for real.
Even betterNope...these are verified victories based on German loss records.
If you sink 100 ships, but fly 10,000 sorties to accomplish it, I wouldn't call the aircraft especially "effective."It wasn't? Stukas seem to have sunk a ton of ships lol
Dive bombers were agile and often fairly well armed, strongly built to take the stresses of high-G pull out etc.
An SBD-3 as per the manual weighed 7,306lbs with crew and equipment and guns but no bomb/s, zero fuel and zero oil.Were they agile?
Well armed? Didn't they usually have a couple of guns up front and one gun out back?
Strongly built also suggests heavy, which would seem to be detrimental to agility.
This is rather interesting... according to the initial spec, the plane was designed with a dive-bombing capability.The RAF, meanwhile, was still fielding aircraft like the Vickers Wellesley...
Was this retained by the time the plane entered service?During 1931, the Ministry released Specification G.4/31, which called for a general purpose aircraft that was capable of carrying out level bombing, army co-operation, dive bombing, reconnaissance, casualty evacuation and torpedo bombing.
Were they agile?
Well armed? Didn't they usually have a couple of guns up front and one gun out back?
Strongly built also suggests heavy, which would seem to be detrimental to agility.
The problem with dive bombers is that they are low energy.
You have to balance the G loading with the available power and the drag. An SBD-5 used an engine like a Hawk 75 (just later by a few years) and while the SBD may have had a lower wing loading (no bombs and 1/2 fuel) it was heavier and had higher drag. It could turn as well for a short period of time but it couldn't sustain it. It started slower and lost speed quicker in the turn quicker. Also couldn't climb anywhere near like a fighter, even a slow one.
They can jink or short sharp turn to throw off the fighters aim and make it come around again. But the dive bomber can't keep turning, it has to fly straight (or gentle curve) to regain energy for the next maneuver.
Against 3 seat torpedo bombers or float planes it looks like a rocket.
Using dive bombers as fighters was a sign of desperation, not good planning.
Were they agile?
Well armed? Didn't they usually have a couple of guns up front and one gun out back?
Strongly built also suggests heavy, which would seem to be detrimental to agility.
Using dive bombers as fighters was a sign of desperation, not good planning.
It wasn't? Stukas seem to have sunk a ton of ships lol
re "Against ship with sea room and the ability to manoeuvre at speed, the Stuka proved remarkably ineffective.
Although it wasn't much better against slow moving ships proceeding in convoy"
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When comparing aircraft it helps to use actual numbers, it also helps to say which aircraft you are comparing.
SBDs came with 3 different engines. 1000hp Take-off from the SBD-1 through -4. 1200hp in the SBD-5 and 1350hp in the SBD-6.
Fulmars came with 2 engines, MK Is got 1080hp engines (T-O) while the Mk IIs got 1300hp MK 30 engines.
Another thing to look at when comparing is altitude, Fulmar speeds are usually given at around 6-8,000ft. A Hurricane IIA was about 25mph slower at that altitude than a peak speed (18,000ft or so) An SBD-3 wasn't going to be doing 255mph in level flight at 8,000 ft. It was doing 333mph at Sea level.
Conditions of climb also make a difference. Most British climb data (but not always) is done at cruise climb, usually a 30 minute rating at less than full RPM and less than full boost.
I would also note that the Skua was out of production in 1940 (well out of production) and the Fulmar II was entering production in Jan 1941.
The SBD-5 didn't enter production until Feb 1943.
Another thing to look at when comparing is altitude, Fulmar speeds are usually given at around 6-8,000ft. A Hurricane IIA was about 25mph slower at that altitude than a peak speed (18,000ft or so) An SBD-3 wasn't going to be doing 255mph in level flight at 8,000 ft. It was doing 333mph at Sea level.
Typo?