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What might France have to offer in a joint operation?
The Neutrals DID have themselves to blame when they were overrun so quickly by the Nazis. By placing their faith in their declared neutrality and their membership in an utterly useless international diplomatic organization, rather than lift a finger or spend the kroner or guilders necessary to bolster their own defenses, they had surrendered their sovereignty long before the first German set foot on their sacred neutral soil. Heads in the sand is not a credible defense.As for the attitude of "Neutrals have themselves to blame", just take a moment to consider the consequences. Does that push those countries into the German camp? That would immediately have extended the front line along the Belgian border to the English Channel before the BEF had ever arrived in France and the French were fully mobilised. Shades of 1914? As for the Netherlands, remember that they had colonies in both East and West Indies from which Britain was obtaining oil (something like 45% of Britain's oil was coming from Venezuela, Mexico & the Caribbean in 1939). A Netherlands at war with Britain might push the DEI closer to Japan, who would no doubt appreciate a new source of oil come 1941. At that point there were concerns about the continued supply of oil from the USA due to their Neutrality Laws (approx 15% of Britain's supplies). Do you risk losing those supplies?
The Neutrals DID have themselves to blame when they were overrun so quickly by the Nazis. By placing their faith in their declared neutrality and their membership in an utterly useless international diplomatic organization, rather than lift a finger or spend the kroner or guilders necessary to bolster their own defenses, they had surrendered their sovereignty long before the first German set foot on their sacred neutral soil. Heads in the sand is not a credible defense.
The Neutrals DID have themselves to blame when they were overrun so quickly by the Nazis.
Seriously???
So, France, Poland and Russia are also to blame for being invaded by the Nazis, all those countries invaded by the Japanese are to blame for being invaded by the Japanese, then... Mate, step away from the keyboard...
Considering the performance of France blaming these small countries for not being able to stand up to Germany seems harsh.
It's not that they are to blame for being invaded, but rather that their trust in Hitler's respect for their neutrality was obviously misplaced.
Yup, I understand your point, Thump, but that's not what the guy said. He said the neutrals DID have themselves to blame when they were overrun so quickly by the Nazis, which even if they could have, a less neutral, more militaristic stance would have done nothing to prevent that outcome.
Agreed, the conclusion was foregone no matter the military readiness. I'll read closer next time.
It's okay, I was mildly disappointed that the other poster insinuated that somehow it was these small countries' fault that they were invaded because they were neutral, is all. That beggars belief.
Was another 50-100 aircraft in either country really going to change the outcome/s?
Another 20-50 tanks?
Another 50-100 field guns?
Again look at the populations and the fact that Germany was most heavily industrialized country in Europe( a lot was agriculture but that is not point, nobody else outside of Britain in Europe had the industry per 1 million people to build modern armies on a large scale). And everybody else was playing catch up.
Don't misunderstand my meaning. The neutrals weren't responsible for the Germans deciding to invade. Focus on the last half of this opening statement, the so quickly overrun part. Once seriously challenged, none of the neutrals displayed any great will to defend their own homelands against invasion, with maybe the possible exception of Norway, and I'll address Norway's case later. Both the Netherlands and Denmark gave up almost immediately. Perhaps a few "honor" shots were exchanged, but in both cases almost without a fight. I'm not faulting any of these countries for not being able to ultimately stop the Germans on their own after a serious attempt at mounting a defense, but they really weren't on their own, and they really didn't attempt to defend themselves in a meaningful way.The Neutrals DID have themselves to blame when they were overrun so quickly by the Nazis.
The time line seems a little out of whack here..holds much less weight when you realize that German military was spread all over Europe from Greece and the Balkans to Poland to France and Belgium, and then they decided to invade Denmark, Norway and the Netherlands, finish off France, intimidate the UK into a negotiated peace, and oh, by the way, also invade the Soviet Union.
Yes the combined strength of the UK, France and the neutrals was considerable. But then they wouldn't be neutrals. They would be allies.The combined strengths of the UK, France and the neutrals were considerable. The Germans were only able to mount attacks of the neutrals with relatively limited forces, but they correctly judged these would be adequate against a perceived lack of a will to fight, self-imposed isolation, unpreparedness, indecision and disorganization: weakness.
Dying to the last man sounds heroic but doesn't usually accomplish much. Japanese tried it a number of times. American aircraft were sometimes flying from airfields while Japanese hold outs were only a few miles away.They were able to pick them off cheaply one-by-one. If the neutrals had decided to fight with the weapons and forces they had on hand (including reservists) until they just couldn't fight anymore,
Well, if the French and British had done things a bit differently (not sat on their hands and waited for the Germans to take the initiative) things might have gone a bit better for the allies too.and if they joined in with the Brits and French once forced into the war, the outcome probably would have been different and not have ended so favorably for Germany.
Didn't these guys carry out the first daylight bombing raid of Berlin by the Allies?Provide targets like this to distract the German fighter force (or make the Germans crash because they're laughing too hard):
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