F-14 vs F-15 vs F-16

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  1. Soren

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    Which is the best fighter in your opinion regardless of track record, based mostly on ability, flight characteristics etc etc..

    I know this will be an interesting debate when I will start off by saying I believe the F-14 is the best, and yet it is the only one of the three to be out of service (mostly due to cost maintenance issues).
     
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    They each performed the role for which they were designed very well.

    F-15 most dominating
    F-14 most innovative
    F-16 most cost effective

    The F-14 was a fantastic plane but to attain the mantle of "Best" I believe cost, maintenance and longevity must be considered. That makes me like the F-15.

    But If I were in a short war had to choose between an air force consisting solely of 500 F-14s or 500 F-15's, I'd have to choose the F-14 cause of the Phoenix missile.

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    Wow. Rather a silly discussion isn't it? Without some operational context, mission need and order of battle this quickly will blur into a debate about "top speed", "range" and "best load-out".

    I'll pass.
     
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    Gotta go with the F-15, especially considering it's >100-to-0 victory ratio. Unfortunately, the F-14 was originally hampered by it's '60's-era TF-30 low bypass-ratio turbofans, which didn't provide enough thrust to make it competitive with contemporary fighters (like the F-15 and -16); it didn't really come into it's own until it (finally) received the engine it should've had from the beginning, the GE F-110, with a 25% increase in dry thrust. The ultimate model of the Tomcat, the F-14D, was really too late to have an effect on naval tactics.

    However, if I had to chose an a/c for a 1-v-1 encounter, I would choose the F-15C over a late-model Tomcat, even with the Phoenix AIM-54C; for a fighter, the F-15 has the most advanced ECM suite of any a/c flying (with the exception of the F-22), so I believe the on-board AN/ALQ-135 EIC of the Eagle would probably defeat the terminal guidance radar of the Phoenix, giving the -15 the chance to hit the Tomcat with it's AIM-120C AMRAAM's at +/- 50 NM. If the F-15 fails to jam or spoof the Phoenix, it should be able to outmaneuver the Mach 6 Phoenix before impact.
     
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    >>it should be able to outmaneuver the Mach 6 Phoenix before impact.<<

    For me that s the crux of the matter... an F-14 with 4 phoenix missiles is pretty damn menacing but the Phoenix is large and old school. Could the F-15 out maneuver a phoenix?

    "Should" is not an answer.. what do the sims say?


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    The Phoenix is not a fighter-v-fighter weapon. It was designed to intercept slow and non-manueverable Soviet Bombers. While it does have a high max speed, that speed is NOT maintained during its continous flight. The Phoenix employs a maintainer motor once it reaches max-E altitude. Any fighter that detects the incoming missile has a high probability of outmaneuvering the Phoenix, since it was not designed to be a dogfighting missile.

    Couple this with early problems Hughes encountered in mission readiness, the standdown of Soviet bombers and there is a reason that F-14Ds were not often seen loaded up with 6 Phoenix missiles as a typical loadout.
     
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    A wise man once said that he would pass.

    Did you say something Matt??? Or are you contributing??

    :D :D :D :D
     
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    Well said, Matt (as usual); in fact, the typical loadout for a late-model F-14 (B's D's) was four AIM-7F Sparrows and/or AMRAAM's on the fuselage stations, and four AIM-9M's on the glove pylons. The Phoenix was actually pretty useless for fighter-v-fighter combat, especially under current ROE.

    And even during the height of the Cold War, a 6-Phoenix loadout was very rare; the A's typically carried four AIM-54's on the fuselage pallets, and Sparrows Sidewinders on the glove pylons.
     
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    Therefor the thread is valid...
     
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    Did the F-14D incorporate a fly-by-wire system?

    And when was FBW introduced on the F-15?

    How do the control systems compare to those of the F-16?
     
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    How about we take a look at the thrust to weight and aerodynamic properties of the a/c.

    The key point is that you imagine a match up, the a/c facing each other in combat.
     
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    The problem is all 3 aircraft have varying roles and if flown properly should never see each other in close quarters.

    F-15 for me.
     
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    Well in war different type a/c meet each other all the time, regardless if their flown properly or not ;)

    Let me create a scenario:

    Two bombers escorted by two F-15's are about to be intercepted by two F-14's fitted with 6x sidewinders and 2x Phoenix missiles.

    At 80km away the Tomcats lock on to the bombers and fire off their two Phoenix missiles at them. The F-15's, armed with 8x AIM-7 Sparrow missiles peel off to intercept the Tomcats. The Bombers try to avoid the Phoenix missiles by the help of ECM.

    The F-14's F-15's get within 20km, a wild dogfight is soon to follow, who wins ? Or should I say who have the odds with or against them ?
     
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    You're right, and so I added the scenario for ou guys to think about.
     
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    Providing that the F-14s didn't get splashed first by the Sparrows, I'd go with the F-15s, but this will depend on who got their missiles off first and who had the better ECMs to counter the missiles. I do know in exercises conducted between the USAF and the USN the F-15s did come out on top most of the time in simulated combat scenarios. If I remember correctly in 1998 USAF F-15s shot down F-14s 3 to 1 during RIMPAC.
     
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    Ahhhh, NO.

    My point is one should kill the other miles before coming into visual range, if flown correctly.
     
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    wow
    if it came to the wire, f-16 would maul either of the a/c
    but the eagle might be a close second, even if flown correctly
     
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    And what do you base that brillant deduction on?!?!?!?
     
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    I doubt it; the F-15 has a better thrust-to-weight ratio (though not a better instantaneous turn rate), a better radar system (the latest F-15C MSIP's are getting the AN/ALQ-63(V)3 AESA radar), and a better ECM suite. The F-16 probably wouldn't get close enough to the F-15 to do any damage, unless the Eagle pilot really screws up. Even in a knife fight, it would be close . . . . .
     
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    Tomcat for me. Being able to deploy and rearm anywhere in the world is a big plus.
     
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