the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
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- Dec 20, 2003
CC how are lockheed the greatest aircraft manufactures of all time?? yeah they're good but i'd give the greatest to boeing.........
F4U F6F P-38 P-47 or P-51 Which plane was best by war's end
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
the lancaster kicks ass said:
Lockheed has built more record breakers and history makers than any other aircraft manufacturer in history....
1st large military aircraft contract to be built at one facility - Lockheed Hudson, 1940
1st 400 mph fighter - P-38, also set a coast to coast speed record during testing.
1st Successful production American jet fighter - P-80, numerous speed records in the late 1940s.
1st Jet Trainer T-33
Long Range distance Holder - P2V Prototype "Truluctent Turtle"
1st carrier Jet Trainer, TV-1 Sea-star
L1049 "Connie" Numerous world distance records, 30 years of service.
C-130 - Ultimate cargo workhorse, USAF tried 2x to replace her, the only thing that replaces a C-130 is another C-130.
F-104, first aircraft to hold simultaneous speed and altitude records.
U-2, numerous altitude and climb to altitude records NOTE: Some of them were made when NASA retired its last U-2 in 89.'
SR-71 - Need I say more?!?
L1011 - First aircraft with microwave landing system. So good Boeing wanted to build 1011s in the early 1980s.
F-117A - First stealth strike aircraft
F-22 - TBD
F-35, set numerous records as a prototype (X-35)
and I'm just getting warmed up...... 8)
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
Art Heiden's comments on his web page comparing the P-38 and P-51 concentrate on the P-38J-10 and earlier without the wing leading edge tanks. They also match the other data I've been able to find. Also for some reason the AAF in the ETO never used the 300gal drop tanks. His comments on the J-25/L models are even more positive for the P-38.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Oh - I forgot, the C-130J set about 50 world records back in 1999!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
plan_D said:
Good point D - I worked for both Lockheed and Boeing, Lockheed listens to its operators, Boeing, well in my experience tries to tell its operators what they really want!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
wmaxt
Staff Sergeant
FLYBOYJ said:
If only we could get into their archives!
wmaxt
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
wmaxt said:
Not to long ago that was do-able
Id go with Lockheed anyday. Boein is a great producer but they mostly dwell in the passenger aircraft such as airliners which is all good but Lockheed goes down and makes some the greatest military aircraft of all times.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Oh, forgot a few things about Lockheed.....
1st manufacturer to use a production line "chain" (like the auto manufacturers do). P-38s, F-80s and F-104s produced in plant B-1 were "pulled" with a chain drive down the assembly line.
Developed Polaris and Trident missles
Agena Space vehicle used on the Gemini space missions
1st company to mill titanium
1st radar avoiding aircraft (have blue)
Leader in pre WW2 supercharger development.
OK, I'll stop now....... 8)
1st manufacturer to use a production line "chain" (like the auto manufacturers do). P-38s, F-80s and F-104s produced in plant B-1 were "pulled" with a chain drive down the assembly line.
Developed Polaris and Trident missles
Agena Space vehicle used on the Gemini space missions
1st company to mill titanium
1st radar avoiding aircraft (have blue)
Leader in pre WW2 supercharger development.
OK, I'll stop now....... 8)
You really can not compare the two. Yes Boein has built some of the best military aircraft such as the B-17 and the B-29 however there main area lies in airliners wheareas Lockheed concentrates on military.
evangilder
"Shooter"
It does now, but Lockheed also built the L-1011 and one of my favorites, the Constellation.
Yes the Constellation was great. I went walking through Eisenhowers Constellation at Fort Rucker Alabama and it was a great plane.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
evangilder said:
I worked in the building where the Connie was built, B304, the P-3 was also built there. In 1980 some maintenance guys were doing repairs on some plumbing and I got to see what was an apartment on the 2nd floor mezzanine. I was told that Howard Hughes would stay there for several days at a time monitoring the progress of TWA 1049 production!
Speaking of Howard Hughes. I just saw The Aviator. Great movie!
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Yes it was, he had alot of business dealings with Bob Gross, Lockheed President, Walt Disney and Al Menasco, landing gear and engine manufacturer in Burbank. AKA the "Morman Mafia."
He was a business man for most, but he loved the dream of flying.
evangilder
"Shooter"
I finally saw the Aviator a couple of weeks ago. I enjoyed it, but was a little disappointed with the abrupt ending.
