Thumpalumpacus
Lieutenant Colonel
Doing 200 mph across Germany is some hard money to earn in 1943, yeah?
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That is from English-language Wikipedia, per Winchester's book from 2004.
German-language Wikipedia gives 450 km/h for the Ju 88V1, and 465 km/h for the V2. Third prototype was powered by better engines than the V1, the 5ft had even better ones
Granted, going from a streamlined cockpit to a draggy one, while adding the bomb racks, guns, cammo paint, radio aerials, dive brakes etc. will put a dent on speed figures.
Interesting, we will need to trace this.
It's worth noting that the Henschel Hs 127, a slightly lighter competitor to the Ju 88, made 357mph. It was rejected because of its lighter bomb load but would have made a much better night fighter and likely had the speed to evade allied interception, something the Ju 88 didn't have except in some of the S versions.
The Ju 88A-4 with dive brakes and bomb racks removed had a speed of 311mph. Had the aircraft had a reasonable internal bomb bay it would have been hard to catch by any Hurricane, MS.460 or D.520. (The Ju 88C-6 (heavy fighter based on the Ju 88A-4 had this 500kmh/312mph speed still with the ventral gondola.). Of course it could attack with a bomb load of 28 x 50kg/110lb bombs.
The Gondola probably cost about 6% speed to the A4 about 20mph. The Ju 88S-0 with the same canopy and still with the gondola of the Ju 88A-4 but with a smooth nose and BMW 801 engines managed 335mph and the speed raised to 370 when the gondola was removed.
So a Battle of Britain era Ju 88A1 (which had less power but also less wing area so the same speed as a Ju 88A-4) probably would have had a speed of around 330 mph with the ventral gondala, dive brakes and external bomb racks removed. Enough to evade anything but a Spitfire. It still would have had a dorsal gun and a forward firing gun.
The ideal Ju 88 would have been a mid wing aircraft, with an uninterrupted bomb bay, with a remote controlled armament like the Me 210/410 or Ar 240/440 or remote tail armament.
It would have been as fast as contemporary fighters had its had a two stage supercharged engine.
And nose section more like Ju 188? Stepless cockpits were not new.
'Fast' meaning that their speed is at least 90% and preferably 95+ % of speed of the current fighters. Defensive guns' armament is kept at minimum. Service use is at least by the time of Munich crisis (Autumn 1938), although a new type can enter service by late 1940/early 1941 in order to use the latest aerodynamics, engines (if they make real improvement to justify a switch to a whole new aircraft), strauctures, materials etc. Obvoiusly the development will need to start a few years before service use.
Number of engines does not matter, a country can have several types and sizes of fast bombers suggested. The engines themselves are strictly historical as they are available for a country that is to make the bombers - be it from own production, or, for smaller countries, the engines one can reasonably hope to buy abroad or did so historically. A proper bomb bay is needed, so the fast bomber does not become a slow bomber. Thread includes carrier-capable bombers.
People are encouraged to look beyond Mosquito![]()