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First flights were 45 days apart. A-26 program was delayed for a number reasons including the Army balking at the quoted price. delays in getting government furnished equipment (like engines and propellers) didn't help aft the contracts were signed. Army couldn't make up it's mind if the first 500 aircraft were ALL to have a 75mm cannon or glass noses or a mix (or some other armament set up).1 The P-61 was running about 6-7 months ahead of the A-26 getting into service: May versus September in the ETO and in that case the P-61 was shipped by sea wheras A-26 ferried.
At what altitude? the P-61 is faster high up, is it faster at lower altitudes? At 22,000ft the P-61 may be 20mph faster (or more) , at 15,000ft is about 5mph faster.2 Speed is Life. If the P-61 is 10 mph faster then that is significant if the intercepting fighter is now only 10 mph faster instead of 20mph.
3 The twin booms of the P-61 readily allow accommodation of turbo chargers and a 400+ mph speed faster than the Mosquito with two stage Merlins.
Well, it could carry more bombs (or at least a greater weight) further and faster than a Martin B-26. Nobody hot much of anything from the stratosphere anyway, regardless of the bombing system unless the target was an entire city. Bottom of stratosphere varies with latitude and season (temperature?) but might be around 33,000ft over Europe?4 A-26 is a "Attack Aircraft" not a fast bomber that could hit and run like the Mosquito or drop a bomb or target mark from the stratosphere using Oboe radio bombing
5 The P-61 could in theory have a solid machine gun nose.
savings would be minimal.6 Would be tempting to remove the 4 gun upper turret and replace with 2 gun.
In front of spar or behind?
Fuel tanks have to near the center of gravity. Not just where there is unused volume.
Spar may or may not be on the center of gravity.
The tank in the picture in post #48 was not self sealing was 'supposed' to allow the bomb bay to carry bombs, Belly tank being dropped on the approach to allow the bomb bay doors to open. I don't know if it was ever used in combat or just rarely.
One would think that if it was easy to put in extra wing tanks they would have done it an not resorted to some of the set ups they did use.
Could something similar have been used for the A-20?
Mosquitoes with 1-stage Merlins were up to 21500 lbs with 5000 lbs + 600 US gals.
I don't think any Mosquitoes with single stage engines were carrying 5,000lb bombs. At most 4,000lb.
Okay. I'm way too lazy to look this stuff up but weren't all the twin engined U.S. bombers faster than their European and Japanese counterparts?
Do you mean a faster top speed or being able to get to 400mph before the Mosquito?
If it was the latter, the Mosquito IX was in production and service in 1943 and could produce a top speed over 400mph. This was around the same time, or before, the P-61A started operations.
If it was the former, the Mosquito B.XVI had a maximum speed, at mean weight, of 408mph at 26,000ft with Merlin 72/73s, or 415mph @ 28,000ft with Merlin 76/77s. The XVI started production in early 1944. The B.IX had similar performance. This was about a year before P-61C production began.
It is not certain that a bomber based on the P-61 using turbocharged R-2800s would have higher performance than the Mosquito if it was produced at the same time as the P-61A/B, as it would have had to use earlier generation R-2800s.
The Mosquito B.35, produced in 1945, used Merlin 113/114 engines had a maximum speed of 422mph.
First flights were 45 days apart. A-26 program was delayed for a number reasons including the Army balking at the quoted price. delays in getting government furnished equipment (like engines and propellers) didn't help aft the contracts were signed. Army couldn't make up it's mind if the first 500 aircraft were ALL to have a 75mm cannon or glass noses or a mix (or some other armament set up).
At what altitude? the P-61 is faster high up, is it faster at lower altitudes? At 22,000ft the P-61 may be 20mph faster (or more) , at 15,000ft is about 5mph faster.
Not really, the P-61 was already using much of the leading edge of the wing for the air intakes for the two stage superchargers it already had. A lot of the wing was being used for fuel tanks near the Nacelles.
Note the rather large scoops/bulge under the nacelle to help hold the Turbo on the P-61C. Boom at about the area of the wing trailing edge was taken up by the main landing gear wheel well.
Well, it could carry more bombs (or at least a greater weight) further and faster than a Martin B-26. Nobody hot much of anything from the stratosphere anyway, regardless of the bombing system unless the target was an entire city. Bottom of stratosphere varies with latitude and season (temperature?) but might be around 33,000ft over Europe?
It could but why bother?
savings would be minimal.
The B-26 "Marauder" was used mostly in Europe but also saw action in the Mediterranean and the Pacific. In early combat the aircraft took heavy losses but was still one of the most successful medium-range bombers used by the USAAF. By the end of the war, the B-26 had the lowest loss rate of any American bomber used during the war.
It should do something, it weighed about 50% more. Fuel burn would be fantastic. What the P-61 could not do was deliver an equal amount of bombs for the same logistical cost. There rest is also debatable.A fast bomber variant of the P-61 I argue would outperform the Mosquito in every role from 1944 onward.
NOt would be as fast, was as fast, P-61 did use a mechanical two stage supercharger.-A P-61 with mechanical superchargers would be as fast as a Mosquito with single stage superchargers.
Well this rather depends on which version of the turbo R-2800 we are talking about. Might also depend on which version of the Merlin.-A P-61 with turbo superchargers would be as fast as a Mosquito with two stage superchargers.
That is going to take a lot of swallowing. Out roll seems plausible. Out turn???? Are we talking about instantaneous turn or sustained turn? Maybe a very light P-61 against a very heavy Mosquito. Pilot reports vary.-A P-61 in the day fighter or reconnaissance role would out roll and out turn a Mosquito.
-A P-61 looks like it could carry 4 x 500lb or 2 x 1000lb in the weapons bay at least.
-A P-61B could carry rockets and bombs and drop tanks under wing. Due to the power of the R-2800 speed loss is fairly small.
-The P-61E fighter variant managed 376 mph on mechanical superchargers.
Had American planners asked for turbo integration from the inception the daylight escort fighter would have been viable as would the recon version. Replacing the gun pack in the weapons bay with a bomb bay looks viable.
A/B-26 (I mean the post-war Invader, not the Martin Marauder)
Heck, it would need a longer or much modified central nacelle just to house the fuel.If the P-61 was converted to a bomber, would it need a longer central nacelle to house a decent bomb bay?
Remove the turret, its mechanisms and structures, and gunner entirely.6 Would be tempting to remove the 4 gun upper turret and replace with 2 gun.
I suspect that the incremental drag from the gun troughs for the four 20 mm cannon was much less than the drag due to any turret. On the other hand, getting rid of them would free up weight and volume.7 P-61 fast bomber wouldn't need forward armament and should be faster.
Remove the turret, its mechanisms and structures, and gunner entirely.
I suspect that the incremental drag from the gun troughs for the four 20 mm cannon was much less than the drag due to any turret. On the other hand, getting rid of them would free up weight and volume.
While I think the P-61 was an interesting and potent aircraft, Northrop was also a small company. Even modifying the P-61 into a bomber may have been beyond their capabilities.
If the P-61 was converted to a bomber, would it need a longer central nacelle to house a decent bomb bay?
Douglas started work on the A-26 in the fall of 1940, By Jan the made a proposal to the USAAC. By mid April the mock up was being inspected.
Trying to stick bits and pieces of existing aircraft together would only have slowed things down. Douglas was already proposing using laminar flow wings and double slotted flaps so you weren't going to get a much more advanced wing.
A-26s delayed entry into service was due to other things than the basic design.