Florida Learjet Crash 11/1/26: Possible cause? (6 Viewers)

Given the left-elevator surface was found in three pieces between 1.3 and 3.8 nm from the crash site, and the plane seemed to level off around 8000 feet after the initial dive, prior to the terminal dive, I wonder if the elevator separated at this point?
 
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They (Learget 60) are an unstable hot rod of an aircraft. Very easy to F-up with it in crappy conditions.
How do other 8-passenger private jets compare? Three I'm aware of are the Embraer Praetor 500, Cessna Citation Latitude and Bombardier Challenger 350. If you're a wealthy dude, which do you want to own and/or fly when flying near (or to escape) such weather? If I had to guess, notwithstanding Bombardier's ownership of Learjet, I'll take the made in Canada option.
 
 
Given the left-elevator surface was found in three pieces between 1.3 and 3.8 nm from the crash site, and the plane seemed to level off around 8000 feet after the initial dive, prior to the terminal dive, I wonder if the elevator separated at this point?
I'm very suspicious of that apparent level off. Just looking at the video of ADSB data, altitude reporting stops at 8750', which suggests the last couple of datapoints are artifacts rather than actual altitude. The elevator being missing at impact (both visual and where the pieces ended up) strongly suggests structural failure in flight, and the obvious place for that to happen was the thunderstorm penetration (or shortly afterward because of ice buildup/airfoil flutter/overspeed). That's just a guess, though, and the engineering investigation will give much more data (eventually).

As far as the mishap itself goes, the big question is: why did they fly through that cell? (Assuming they did; ground radar is famously unreliable for giving a picture of conditions at altitude, but it sure looks bad on the videos.) Was the radar not working? And something nobody seems to be talking about is the descent from 410 to 350 prior to skirting the storms. I'm assuming that's for route restrictions, but in my experience ATC will usually let you delay the descent when dealing with weather, and it makes it much easier to dodge cells.

Juan Browne has a good video covering the anti icing systems and handbook procedures (starting about halfway through). I've never flown a Lear, but there sure seemed to be a lot of cautions about ice effects and some difficult procedures (e.g., having to keep up the engine power to provide bleed air for the system, using spoilers to control speed, but spoilers causing nose tuck above MMO).

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03wk6hVbd7o
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSngzLP6fR8

Video has some disturbing content, including the crash itself as well as the copilot's communications with ground. This video makes the incredibly dodgy claim that icing may have caused the crash.

When an aircraft nosedives at near the speed of sound into the ground, isn't it always because of lost elevator control, right? This is clearly a maintenance failure.

I believe this is around the seventh fatal crash in the US since 2025. Before that there were zero as far back as I can remember.

It is certain that icing is a major factor. The primary cause is poor decision making, i.e. climbing even closer to coffin corner into icing conditions. The strong up-draughts in that storm drag moisture laden air up to the top of the storm which the aircraft flew into. As soon as they decided to climb and not avoid the storm, they were doomed!
 
something nobody seems to be talking about is the descent from 410 to 350 prior to skirting the storms
they were only 60 miles from the destination. That descent would represent a normal profile, and as you also pointed out it is important to keep the engine power up to keep the bleed air up for anti-icing. It is a tricky balance.
60 miles out is only 8~10 minutes out and 41000/8 is 5000 FPM!
So you start down.
35000/8 is a slightly more sedate 4400FPM < sarcasm intended>
"the last couple of datapoints are artifacts rather than actual altitude"
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Those are not ballistic telemetry systems.
That pre-crash profile was far outside the predicted operating conditions that the static system was designed for.
ADS-B is reported by equipment on the aircraft. It was having a bad day by then.

As far as the mishap itself goes, the big question is: why did they fly through that cell?

Pilot error comes in all sorts of flavors.
Get there-itis will cause all sorts of poor decisions. You see what you want to see on the airborne radar so you see a way through where none exists.
I also want to point out that the 6000 feet difference from 35K and 41K is nothing in convective activity. It will move 6000' while you watch, in just a few moments not minutes.
 
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they were only 60 miles from the destination. That descent would represent a normal profile, and as you also pointed out it is important to keep the engine power up to keep the bleed air up for anti-icing. It is a tricky balance.
60 miles out is only 8~10 minutes out and 41000/8 is 5000 FPM!
So you start down.
35000/8 is a slightly more sedate 4400FPM < sarcasm intended>
"the last couple of datapoints are artifacts rather than actual altitude"
👍
Those are not ballistic telemetry systems.
That pre-crash profile was far outside the predicted operating conditions that the static system was designed for.
ADS-B is reported by equipment on the aircraft. It was having a bad day by then.



Pilot error comes in all sorts of flavors.
Get there-itis will cause all sorts of poor decisions. You see what you want to see on the airborne radar so you see a way through where none exists.
I also want to point out that the 6000 feet difference from 35K and 41K is nothing in convective activity. It will move 6000' while you watch, in just a few moments not minutes.
I saw that destination discussion in some of the coverage, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong. The NTSB preliminary statement said the destination was in the Bahamas, and one of the last requests they made was for direct Freeport:
We have launched a go team to investigate the crash of a Learjet 60 operated by Aurora Aviation dba Upper Jet. The flight was lost from radar and radio contact while en route from Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS), Austin, Texas to North Eleuthera Airport (MYEH), North Eleuthera, Bahamas.

Pilot Debrief has a new video up discussing a similar altitude holding issue in a turbulence encounter in that aircraft near Teterboro back in May (starts at 9:17):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQSz3PO-zA0
 
There was a sign attributed to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base that read "There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm during peacetime"

Back when I was learning to fly and the weather turned less than ideal, so not even convective thunderstorms, just poor weather, my instructor would tell me its best to be on the ground wishing you were up there, than being up there wishing you were on the ground.
 
I saw that destination discussion in some of the coverage, but I'm pretty sure it's wrong. The NTSB preliminary statement said the destination was in the Bahamas, and one of the last requests they made was for direct Freeport:


Pilot Debrief has a new video up discussing a similar altitude holding issue in a turbulence encounter in that aircraft near Teterboro back in May (starts at 9:17):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQSz3PO-zA0

west palm beach to freeport is 89 miles.
Back to the math.
8 miles a minute = 11 minutes
lose 40000 feet
3600 FPM.
This is a pretty damn quick descent profile. There is nothing odd about the initial request and descent.
This is what you do, you nibble your way down.
 
Back when I was learning to fly and the weather turned less than ideal, so not even convective thunderstorms, just poor weather, my instructor would tell me its best to be on the ground wishing you were up there, than being up there wishing you were on the ground.
That delivery flight I took down there was a combo mission. I picked up the son on the way through in PHX to bring him the plane to build hours in. I was getting him familiar and we did a bunch of approaches while a line of storms approached his home base. He was familiar with how it went, and he peeked out from the hood to say "we have time for one more".
We made the next one a full stop and hustled over to the hangar. We got the plane pushed back and the doors closed and it hit WHAM!
I have never seen rain that heavy. The hangar roof was deafening and I put the aircraft headset back on.
Peek out the crack in the hangar door and the immense drops would rebound back up to eye level in the splashes. The car was 20' away and we waited for it to pass rather than take a shower.
It was good to be looking at that on the ground :)
 
west palm beach to freeport is 89 miles.
Back to the math.
8 miles a minute = 11 minutes
lose 40000 feet
3600 FPM.
This is a pretty damn quick descent profile. There is nothing odd about the initial request and descent.
This is what you do, you nibble your way down.
West Palm Beach to Eleuthera is 198 NM. Standard gouge 3:1 rule, start down from 410 at 123 miles, which is right around Freeport.

And while there's nothing odd about the request or descent, I wouldn't have done it that way (especially into a convective SIGMET).
 
I'm very suspicious of that apparent level off. Just looking at the video of ADSB data, altitude reporting stops at 8750', which suggests the last couple of datapoints are artifacts rather than actual altitude. The elevator being missing at impact (both visual and where the pieces ended up) strongly suggests structural failure in flight, and the obvious place for that to happen was the thunderstorm penetration (or shortly afterward because of ice buildup/airfoil flutter/overspeed). That's just a guess, though, and the engineering investigation will give much more data (eventually).
I can't say it is/isn't an artifact. I figure one possibility would be to use a combination of aerodynamics, ballistics, and known meteorological data to figure out where the surfaces fell.
Was the radar not working?
Would crew normally report the radar is inoperative?
And something nobody seems to be talking about is the descent from 410 to 350 prior to skirting the storms.
I'd almost swear I heard they started their descent simply because they were starting to get fairly close to the Bahamas and wanted a gradual descent. They did apparently request climbing to FL370 however shortly before the descent began.
 
Why didn't they just navigate away from the weather? Instead of choosing a clear alternative route through Jacksonville that would have added only six minutes to the flight, the pilots opted for a southern track toward Miami that flew directly toward a massive, 100-mile-wide storm system already visible on pre-flight radar. This just seems needlessly risky.
 

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