Germany goes with 6x15in Scharnhorst/Gneisenau development instead of B&T?

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If it had three turrets would it be best to have two on the rear? Would it result in more ships?
 
Turrets and gun barrels are high ticket items so having less is cheaper. So you can have 3 ships of 4 turrets or 4 ships of 3.

Guns up front. Ramming speed. I remember a quote from an officer on the NelRod saying why were all the guns up front?

****Cos we ain't running away****
 
tomo pauk said:
Two in the front. Has less severe consequences if the enemy crosses your 'T'.
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I didn't think the plan was ever to have a WW1 battle fleet battle with ships in line, as surface raiders they always seemed to be pursued?
 
Glider said:
The Gneisenau was being altered to replace the 9 x 11in with 6 x 15in after receiving damage and there can be little doubt that it would be improvement. However it doesn't change a thing at a strategic level.
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My question, as an member of this aviation forum, what's the aircraft connection?

Or can we just start posting about anything that's painted grey, olive, khaki, or camo? I'll go next, who had the best TP in WW2? GERMAN ARMY ISSUE TOILET PAPER | Spandau Militaria Shop

Or.... we could post topics unrelated to aviation in its proper place WW2 General
 
Admiral Beez said:
My question, as an member of this aviation forum, what's the aircraft connection?

Or can we just start posting about anything that's painted grey, olive, khaki, or camo? I'll go next, who had the best TP in WW2? GERMAN ARMY ISSUE TOILET PAPER | Spandau Militaria Shop

Or.... we could post topics unrelated to aviation in its proper place WW2 General
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Taking your points one at a time

a) connection to aviation - none (but be fair I didn't start this deviation but have an interest in the topic and was happy to put my two pence worth in)

b) TP. My favourite story about this topic was in the Pacific. A Japanese bomber attacked a supply ship and was shot down without causing any major damage apart from a small fire which was easily put out after strafing the vessel. The impact was significant for a while as, yes you've guessed it, the attack had set fire to the TP the ship was carrying for the fleet.
My guess is the USN wouldn't have cared what toilet paper was the best, as long as they had some.

c) true - Or....you could just avoid reading posts such as these and apologise for further taking the topic away from aviation and onto TP which was never my intention
 
The Basket said:
Did aircraft carry toilet paper?

Was Luftwaffe toilet paper better than RAF toilet paper? I gots to know.
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I remember my first tour of a Lancaster bomber and seeing the toilet in the aft section (no pun... well maybe a little). I expected it to open straight out into the air, butt no, it was just a chemical toilet. Did any bombers have toilets that just dumped their load?

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Here's some answers to my question, Aircraft lavatory - Wikipedia

"The British Supermarine Stranraer flying boat, which first flew in 1934, was fitted with a toilet that was open to the air. When the lid was lifted in flight, airflow produced a whistling noise that led to the aircraft being nicknamed the "Whistling Shithouse". The Short Sunderland flying boat, which saw military service from 1938 to 1967, was comparatively well equipped, carrying a porcelain flush toilet.

During World War 2, large bomber aircraft, such as the American Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and the British Avro Lancaster, carried chemical toilets (basically a bucket with seat and cover, see bucket toilet); in British use, they were called "Elsans" after the company that manufactured them. These often overflowed and were difficult to use. The intense cold of high altitude required crews to wear many layers of heavy clothing, and the pilot might have to take violent evasive action with little warning. They were unpopular with bomber crews, who would avoid using them if at all possible. Bomber crew members sometimes preferred to urinate into bottles or defecate into cardboard boxes, which were then thrown from the aircraft."

"Whistling Shithouse", now that made me laugh. As for TP, or what our Australian cousins might call dunny roll, here's our German example, but IDK if it was used in the air.
rochie said:
So could my wife ! apparently i bought the wrong kind the other day when she sent me shopping ! :rolleyes:
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My teenagers go through way too much. It sounds like they're starting an outboard motor in there, pulling a meter at a time I'd guess.

Can I say I'm glad we're at least discussing aviation matters?
 
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In 1955 as a Civil Air Patrol cadet we were on a C-119 flight on which one of the parents insisted to come along. Normally forbidden, it's possible he was a senior member. During the flight he went to the rear and used the relief tube to try to call the pilot much to the hilarity of the cadets. I never learned whose parent he was.
 
All modern Kreigsmarine cruisers and battleships carried the Ar-196 and that was a pretty sweet airplane.

Trick question...how many Kreigsmarine Ar-196 flew from ships?

Answer is none as they were all Luftwaffe with Luftwaffe pilots and controlled by Luftwaffe command.

You can blame Meier for that.
 
SaparotRob said:
Would changing the calibre of Scharnhorst and Gneisenau to larger weapons have any affect on the scouting aircraft they carried? Did Bismarck and Tirpitz carry "beefier" float planes?
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One of the issues with the Arado Ar 196 carried by both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau was it's propensity to crack its engine cylinders when the cold sea water splashed into the nacelle. There are three fixes to consider: first, fix the engine; second, move the engine (Shagbats put the engine up high); third, change to a different engine. I'd like to see the Ar 196 with the Bf 109's DB inline - that'll give the Swordfish something to consider.

The second option, moving the engine away from the spray of water makes the most sense. That's what the German catapult ship Bussard deployed. However these big flying boats don't really suit a battlecruiser, lol.

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So, what about something like the depot ship Friesenland?

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SaparotRob said:
The things one learns here.
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Something else to add to the collective with an appropriate bent. In late 1939 a number of 44 Sqn Hampden bombers was detached to Scotland to hunt for the German cruiser Admiral Scheer and were detected by local radar, which hadn't been notified of the bombers' approach. Spitfires from 602 Sqn out of RAF Drem, near Edinburgh were sent out after them, a Hampden was shot down before the mistake was realised, crashing near May Island in the Firth of Forth. The rest of the bombers were then diverted to land at Drem, where they spent the night. The next day before they were recalled to their base in England, the Hampden crews went round every toilet at Drem, took as much of the toilet paper as they could and stuffed it in their bomb bays. On take off, the Hampdens then beat up the airfield, opened their bomb bays and the base's toilet paper supply was scattered across the airfield!

One of the Pegasus engines from the Hampden shot down is in a museum in Scotland after getting tangled up in a fishing boat's net.
 
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