Groundhog Thread v. 2.0 - The most important battle of WW2

[pbehn]

Brugge is in Flanders : the Pas de Calais is in France .And Amiens is not located in the Pas de Calais . Amiens is the capital of the department of the Somme and was in WW2 the HQ of the second panzer division . And the distance between Amiens and Dunkirk is more than 150 km ,to Brugge even more which means that Germany had only ONE PzD to protect the coast between Normandy and the Netherlands ,which proves my point that with better intelligence Germany would still have only one division .
The problem was not intelligence but shortage of divisions .

You do realise that Germany invaded France dont you? When the Allies planned raids they didnt consider which French political department places were in or even if they were in France. When I worked in Dunkerque I stayed in Belgium, De Panne, it is four miles away, please give up, you are sounding like a Yokel.

 

[GrauGeist]

My wifes father was a submariner, my father was on convoy escort. His ship HMS Highlander hit ice off Newfoundland, as the Titanic did. If you can run into an iceberg because you didnt see it how easy is it to miss a ship or convoy in the dark that is only a mile away?

My Uncle was a submariner in the Pacific Theater.
I have no idea how he got by, they were primitive machines, you know.

 

[pbehn]

My Uncle was a submariner in the Pacific Theater.
I have no idea how he got by, they were primitive machines, you know.

His wartime service killed him, the acid fumes burned his lungs and he died of chronic lung problems in 1962. He spent much of the time submerged in the Med as far as we know, a Submariners records dont say much about what they did,

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

If the U Boats could not do anything against the convoys, there was no need to search for them .

You continue to prove my point.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I'm really hoping that there is a U-boat crewman who is a member of our forum to comment. Not that he would know.

It would not matter. He would tell our U-Boot crewman he is clueless.

 

[buffnut453]

You continue to prove my point.

His response to every situation seems to be to do nothing. Unfortunately, he's applying the retrospectroscope at massive scale. You can't know whether your activities are effective or not until after you've captured all the data, typically long after the fighting has ceased. That's a luxury not available to people fighting at the time. Operational and tactical situations can change very quickly, and military forces need to be prepared to respond...sitting back just isn't an option. You know this. I know this. Most people on this forum know this. Alas, ljadw doesn't appear to know this and seems to think that premonition was available in abundance during WW2.

 

[pbehn]

At times during the war it was taking 40,000 shells to down one aircraft, that is why everyone gave up such a hopeless cause, they couldnt hit anything. Well in fact they worked on better gun laying, better aiming and better munitions.

In the four weeks proximity fuses were used against V1 doodlebugs 1st week 24% destroyed 2nd week 46% 3rd week 67% 4th week 79%. On the last day of major launches 104 were launched and 4 reached London. At the start of the war hitting a small plane travelling at 450MPH with a shell was as hopeless as detecting a submarine conning tower from 20,000ft.

 

[GrauGeist]

His wartime service killed him, the acid fumes burned his lungs and he died of chronic lung problems in 1962. He spent much of the time submerged in the Med as far as we know, a Submariners records dont say much about what they did,

My Uncle survived the war and went on to serve in the USN until he retired.
He did suffered residual effects from the "bends".
One of his boats was sunk in battle and being a torpedoman, he was able to escape via the tube before the boat sank too deep to survive the ascent.

 

[pbehn]

My Uncle survived the war and went on to serve in the USN until he retired.
He did suffered residual effects from the "bends".
One of his boats was sunk in battle and being a torpedoman, he was able to escape via the tube before the boat sank too deep to survive the ascent.

Its hard to imagine the life. He was married during the war and they had two children during it. She never got notice of him coming home so he either came through the front door or she would get a telegram saying he was missing presumed dead.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Are you familiar with the expression "pearls before swine"? You would have better luck talking to the wall.
FWIW I'm convinced.

It's funny you mention that phrase, Rob. It was literally in my mind when I was composing a reply to his "D-Day/enemy-doesn't-know-what-he-himself-is-doing" claptrap this morning. So I backspaced over my reply and simply put up my facepalm instead.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Germany was not aware of time and place of Overlord, but this was not important,because Germany had not the forces to defeat the landing even if they knew it .

Even without knowing Overlord would land in Normandy, the Germans there held up the Allies to the tune of seven weeks behind their planned timetable for advance.

Now imagine, if you can, what the Germans could do if they had good information that Overlord would land in Normandy and brought in some reinforcements from the North quickly rather than later.

Also, regarding your point -- and I'm using that term generously -- about "why search for U-boats if they cannot do anything?": has the thought occurred to you that the aerial search for the U-boats would tend to have them spending more time underwater, where there speeds were slower? Have you considered how air power impacted the U-boats ability to perform their mission?

You still are unable to understand that with better code breaking,Germany would still lose : what it needed was not more knowledge of allied plans, but more divisions .

This is an evacuated-middle fallacy.

 

[SaparotRob]

It's funny you mention that phrase, Rob. It was literally in my mind when I was composing a reply to his "D-Day/enemy-doesn't-know-what-he-himself-is-doing" claptrap this morning. So I backspaced over my reply and simply put up my facepalm instead.

Dude, same reaction here. Almost face palmed instead.

 

[pbehn]

When the first submarine was launched no one could find it so they stopped wasting time looking, but it didnt go very far and had no weapons on board so no one built any more. That's why what you read in all your so called history books is wrong.

 

[GrauGeist]

When the first submarine was launched no one could find it so they stopped wasting time looking, but it didnt go very far and had no weapons on board so no one built any more. That's why what you read in all our so called history books is wrong.

Those primitive machines were a waste and so were oil tankers.
They should have used all that time and effort to improve the road between Dunkirk and Amiens - I hear it was rough going.

 

[pbehn]

Those primitive machines were a waste and so were oil tankers.
They should have used all that time and effort to improve the road between Dunkirk and Amiens - I hear it was rough going.

Its always great to be given a geography lesson about where I used to live. 6 months in Dunkerque, 6 months in Aulnoye / Maubeuge and 9 months in Rouen plus years in Northern Europe crossing the channel by ferry to from Dieppe Calais Brugge Rotterdam.

 

[GrauGeist]

Nothing that person says makes sense.
It's now to the point of being funny.

The saying is: "don't feed the troll", but I think "trolling the troll" is much more fun

 

[nuuumannn]

Wow! Speaking of tiresome arguments, just waded through all this...

You still are unable to understand that with better code breaking,Germany would still lose : what it needed was not more knowledge of allied plans, but more divisions .
Germany had not enough soldiers to protect the coasts of Western Europe .

So they should'a just given up, then? Huh... Would'a saved a lot of people from dying, that's for sure. Rewritten history if they had your wisdom...

 

[Glider]

There is a difference between both : the LW was still able in 1940 to attack London while Doenitz did not know where were the non rerouted convoys and while his U Boats had not sufficient fuel and ammunition .
But : why should the RAF go after the LW bombers in 1945,when these were unable to hurt London .

Still haven't looked up the suggestions given to you for some research have you.

PS Still waiting for you to respond to the questions posed to you

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Still haven't looked up the suggestions given to you for some research have you.

PS Still waiting for you to respond to the questions posed to you

He's busy conquering the world in War Thunder.

 

[GrauGeist]

I suspect the long delays between posts is because his mom is making him clean his room or helping with the dishes...