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Jigs yes, tooling maybe, production method and organization? No. By mid-war Milch and the RLM still had to coordinate for efficient producers to pass knowledge along and thus allow the less advanced producers learn and catch up.
Jigs and tooling will always be the same regardless of final assembly methodology, detail parts and sub assemblies (especially those built off assembly tools) will always require about the same assembly methodology regardless where they are built. I think after that we are in agreement. What you are showing is how is how the final assembly line was made more efficient (formal assembly stations on a line rather than static assembly stations moved manually) but it's a lot more complex than just physically assembling the aircraft. In the end the assembly process has to be uniform when several locations are producing the same airframe, to maintain production tolerances and in the end interchangeability.
And thanks Joe for keeping the eye on the manufacturing ball. I can say we have found the wing bolts on the Ha.1112 to be hand-fitted ... that is, they only fit where they fit, and nowhere else. So there was still a lot of hand-fitting ... at least in Spain. The only German Bf 109 I ever got close to ALSO had hand-fitted wing attach bolts ... and several other tapered fits.
I bet it was a hand reamer! Can't go anywhere else, but they fit like a glove in the right slot ... (and not an O.J. Simpson glove, either).
Not exactly sure they used Takt time in WWII, but it might amount to the same concept.
all I can add is that if they coulf produce a Bf 109 for 4,000 man-hours, then EVERYONE whould have been building them I don't think anybody else came very close to that number for any other major fighter. That says a lot for Willy's design expertise (or that of his staff).
I have not seen the man-hours required to manufacture a DB 601 / 605 compared with the merlin and I wonder now if they were even close to one another. A good thing to investigate when I get time.
Also have not seen a man-hours for a VDM propeller compared with, say, a Rotol ... but would also be interested. This can lead you down the path of not being able to find the data but ... it also might be there for anyone to find.
I just don't have time right now ... hopefully taht may cnage in 6 months!
Great pics above! Thanks.
And thanks Joe for keeping the eye on the manufacturing ball. I can say we have found the wing bolts on the Ha.1112 to be hand-fitted ... that is, they only fit where they fit, and nowhere else. So there was still a lot of hand-fitting ... at least in Spain. The only German Bf 109 I ever got close to ALSO had hand-fitted wing attach bolts ... and several other tapered fits.
I bet it was a hand reamer! Can't go anywhere else, but they fit like a glove in the right slot ... (and not an O.J. Simpson glove, either).
All good points, though as far as Heinkel aircraft development was concerned, that implies investing a bit more on competing single engine fighters to complement the 109 and 190 might have avoided the need for such exhaustive development investment across those other types.They tried it and apparently weren't impressed with the results, so it wasn't something that they pursued on a large scale.
In the larger picture, we can see that a great deal of time, money, labor and material went into exploring alternatives for the Fw190. This holds true with the Bf109 and other production types. So on the one hand, the He112 could have been upgraded or enhanced but on the otherhand, how many prototypes would it take to hit on the right combination?
Look at the time consumed in trying to salvage the Me210 when it should have been shelved and either go back to the drawing board or move on to the next, more promising type. There were over 24 prototypes of the Me210 that spanned 4 years: V1 1939 - V24 1943. While this may be seen as the natural course of development for a type, it is a huge setback during wartime, especially when things aren't going well for the Fatherland.
And just in case anyone's wondering, there were over 80 prototypes for the Fw190...
Retaining the thicker wing of the 112 might not have been a bad thing. It LOOKS thick, but without any definitive confirmation on the airfoil section used, it's hard to tell if it's using a thick airfoil or just a thick, low aspect ratio wing with relatively long chord. Additionally, one solution for improving high speed drag would be to extend the leading and/or trailing edges of the wing to conform to a thinner airfoil shape at the expense of increasing area and decreasing aspect ratio -if the wing root is the only section using a particularly high thickness to chord ratio, having highly tapered wing root extensions would be an even simpler modification, akin to what the Me 262 HG-I adopted.The "potential" thing is ripe for practical argument/discussion. You can probably "fix" the faults of MOST airplanes. The real question is, "is it economically feasible to do so?" A fully "tweaked" He 112 might have been a really great prototype with performance to spare ... and the RLM still might not have bought it, so you have to decide if the potential investment is worth the risk. I've always wondered why none of Germany's allies bought it in quantity, and there is likely a good reason, potential development notwithstanding. They apparently built 104 of them, which would not be profitable.
One advantage of the He 112 not being in service and mass production (compared to the 109) would mean more substantial design changes and fixes without disrupting existing production lines. Where the 109's refinements were curtailed in favor of maintained volume production, the He 112 (or 100) could have delved unimpeded until actual mass production commenced.The Bf 109 was ripe with faults but, for all it's faults, was a VERY good offensive attack fighter that was fairly cheap to make given the level of performance it achieved ... which was near or at the top of the field. It is quite possible the DB-powered He 112 had every bit of the performance of the Bf 109 at a greater cost, and never got a big order simply due to the price difference. Or ... it may have NOT had the performance the Bf 109 had, and was STILL more expensive.
Factual evidence is mostly circumstantial from what I've seen, but the case of the Ar 240 really seems to point to RLM prejudice towards the Me 210 project and lack of interest or resources being fed to the 240, particularly given its relatively early development dead-end. (there was the larger Ar 440 development, but maintaining focus on the original 240 and refinement thereof seems like it would have matured much more quickly, especially had more powerful engines -realistic engines like the DB-605, 213, and 603, or BMW 801, not the likes of the Jumo 222)For instance, I think the AR 240 had potential, and it was fast enough that if Arado couldn't fix the stability, I bet a rival firm could have and then the Germans would have HAD their "Mosquito" or at least close to it ... but it never happened for real.
You have to appreciate/marvel the potential that went untapped in the German aircraft industry ranging from the Me 264 to the Fw 191 to the AR 240 and so on down a long list of "might-have-beens" up to and including the BV 155 high-altitude version of the Bf 109. The potential was amazing in a lot of cases.
Given notes on the He 100's access panels and cramped engine installation in general (let alone the horribly complex pump system in the surface cooled systems), Heinkel definitely didn't maintain the same focus on ease of serviceability and maintenance with the He 100 as the He 112 ... another area where the He 100 could or should have been better but failed. (the main reason to go for a new design rather than further 112 development was to comprehensively fix more fundamental design flaws of the 112 and allow new technology to be introduced from the ground up ... this doesn't appear to have eventuated)From personal experience, the Bf 109 is NOT simple to work on. There are many things that WOULD be simple if the order of assembly was followed but, once the aircraft is together, you don't have the luxury of order of assembly. For instance, if the landing gear attach points are being assembled onto a NEW Bf 109, they are easy. If the Bf 109 is assembled, then someone is down in the cockpit, head first, in a very uncomfortable and awkward position trying to remove and reinstall the bolts that hold the brackets on while the rudder pedals and other items are all in the way. We finally said enough and removed all the pieces ... and, in fact, completely disassembled the cockpit for access, including removing the instraument panel.
Hehe that was exactly one of the contention points between the 109 and 112, the Messer was designed for ease of production, the Heinkel for ease of maintenance, in both cases the non-prioritized attribute suffered by comparison...
There was a lot of discussion on this and information thrown back and forth (and attempted deduction based on limited information and conflicting incomplete accounts of testing), and the results were rather ambiguous as far as the final (supposed D-1) variant of the He 100 is concerned.Silly of me, I completely forgot that Heinkel went on to design the He-100 and that in its final version it did feature a radiator for a DB 601 installation, so perhaps hey would have gone with some larger version of its retractable radiator?
Anyway, I think the only shot this aircraft would have had is if the KM carriers had been completed, one of the A-1s was used a a prototype for a carrier version and with its wider landing gear it would have been a better proposition than the 109T.