Heer, from january 1936 on?

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Thanks for the engines overview. We will need to start with the 125 HP engine, switching on more powerful ones as they became available.

That sounds good but the low powered engines may not give you the speed/mobility you want. Spending time and money on chassis that will only become acceptable performers several years down the road (without spending even more money on development) doesn't sound like a good use of resources.




Thank you, The Heer seems to have had enough guns, at least for the first 3 years of the war.


It appears you are correct on the weights of the guns but using "throw" weight gets a bit deceptive. A British 3in 20cwt AA gun has the same "throw" weight as the MK 101 using 440 grams shells if the 3in fires 15-16 rounds a minute. Problem is hitting the target (unless you can scare them away with tracer). The low rate of fire with the MK 101 means that a 300mph aircraft can move almost 33 meters between each shot fired. The 2cm Flak 38 cuts that to about 19 meters traveled.
Once you can get the high cycle rate MK 103s the 30mm gun has just about all the advantages. But using the MK 101 is a bit iffy.

German Army never used a twin 20mm mount during the war, Perhaps a opportunity there?

I'll admit that the Germans were on the forefront when it comes down to self propelled AAA. Until the LW was bested, or at least equaled in the air, there was no much need for the AAA for the 'tactical' ground forces.

There was a need, it's just that it seems to have been pretty well filled by existing equipment/scale of issue.
 

The Pz 38(t) will become quickly obsolete, even more so within the limits of this thread. The body (powerplant, suspension etc) is a decent one, so using it for a bigger gun might be good use. The max speed on 9,5 ton was 42 km/h with 125 PS The 'Waffentrager' withe the L/71 gun was supposed to weight 11,2 (per German Wikipedia) while using 100 PS engine??
The L/56 version should weight 10-10,5t?


We can recall that all 2cm Flak guns weren't of the Flak 38 variety, but the Flak 30 was in majority in the early ww2. RoF was 280 rpm vs. 230-260 rpm for the MK 101.

The targeted aircraft were almost always 'followed' when within sights, ideally the angular velocity of the barrel matching (when looking from gunner's standpoint) the angular velocity of the target. It was a thing where, say, one of 20 bursts hits an aircraft (not all the shells from a burst, of course). Not when one or two shells from each burst hits. The high rate of fire was not a cure for an ill-trained gunner, but it can help.
Barrage fire (we all fire in a portion of the sky where the aircraft will roughly appear) was sometimes used, but the ammo consumption vs. aircraft hit was out of proportions.

German Army never used a twin 20mm mount during the war, Perhaps a opportunity there?

Indeed. Introduction of 60-rd drum would also boost the weapon's efficiency.
 
 
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Again about the AAA, this time the heavy guns. In retrospect, was it better bet to rely on a 'hit to kill', or to employ the time fuses?
 
Again about the AAA, this time the heavy guns. In retrospect, was it better bet to rely on a 'hit to kill', or to employ the time fuses?

Hard to say without doing a very detailed mathematical analysis of the situation. Near the end of the war the the 'hit to kill' method was shown to be better but in the early years the bombers flew lower. The problems with the time fuses were the errors in setting the fuse correctly to begin with and then the error in the fuse itself. A fuse might be accurate to 2% or less of the time it was set for (expected flight time) and the shorter flight times to the lower altitudes meant the error was the same percentage of a much shorter flight time. The shells slowing down considerable with altitude.
I have no idea were the cross-over point is/was.
The time fuse (in theory) increase the lateral lethal distance but because of the fuse problems introduced an error along the line of flight (usually bursting too early, a late burst might result in the shell hitting the target plane). The longer the time of flight the greater this "axial" error became.
Of course not having to set fuses might speed up the rate of fire a bit.

We are back to are you planning for 1939-41 in 1936/37 or are you planning for 1943-45?
 
For pre-1943 time. Was thinkering about an AA gun that is similar to the Panther's gun, obviously on a AA carriage and with neccesarry extras.
Or, the bread butter 88 L-56, firing the HE shell 'core' wrapped in a carriage to make up to 88mm, looking sorta APCR. So instead of the 9 kg HE, firing the 5-6 kg 'HE-SV' round. The barrel wear should be increased with greater MV, though.
The Gerlich system (tappered bore) does offer a 1200 m/s speed, but barrel life was only 1000 rds for the 7,5cm pak 41, vs. 6000 rds for the 7,5cm pak 40, for example.
 
 

They used 85-90mm AA guns because the bigger shells had a bigger lethal radius than the 75mm shells. The bigger shells also retained their velocity better than the 75mm if they start at the same velocity for a shorter flight time. using a higher velocity 75mm might work but I don't know where the cross over point is.
BTW some sources claim only 150 shots for the 7.5cm pak 41. Barrel was made in several sections so the the one that wore the fastest could be replaced without changing the whole barrel.
 
They used 85-90mm AA guns because the bigger shells had a bigger lethal radius than the 75mm shells.

Indeed. Though, not an issue if direct hit is desired.

The bigger shells also retained their velocity better than the 75mm if they start at the same velocity for a shorter flight time. using a higher velocity 75mm might work but I don't know where the cross over point is.

It is the 'heavier shells retained their velocity better', the 85-90mm shells being roughly 50% heavier than 75-76,2mm shells. The section density was greater for the 85-90mm shells, that being a more precise statement.
The 8,8cm 'full weight' shell was at circa 9-10 kg, fired at 800-830 m/s. The 'reduced weight' shot, like the APCR for example, weighted 7,3 kg, fired at 930 m/s. It would be interesting if we'd know the velocities for different projectiles at 2 or 3 km, though.
The Panther's gun was firing the 7,2 kg shot at 925 ms, should retain the velocity better than the APCR shot of the 8,8cm, due to less drag. The 4,75 kg APCR from the Panther was fired at 1120 m/s. Again, I don't know the velocities at 2-3 km to compare.

BTW some sources claim only 150 shots for the 7.5cm pak 41. Barrel was made in several sections so the the one that wore the fastest could be replaced without changing the whole barrel.

I have only this (open it separately):

 

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