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I only postulated shooting Hitler. Goering (the proposed-to-me shooter) is the necessary Sacrificial Atonement for the German people.Trick is, with all these Nazis dead, who takes over?
I'd say again: He 177 needs to be cancelled.
"Long range bomber" is not just another name for "4-engined bomber".
Germans need to do daylight bombing.
This is why I've suggested the DB-601/605 powered Fw 190: it has more internal fuel than Bf 109, and it can be easily upgraded to carry even more fuel. The BMW 801s were fuel hogs vs. the German (and other people's) V12s. BMW 801 was also less reliable than V12s the Germans had in 1941-mid 1942.
Tough to do a long range bomber with two engines of under 2000hp. Possible but tough, especially......................
If you are not going to night bomb then the plane better be fast. Germans have crap for defensive gun mounts at this point in the war so they are really up against it.
Fast cruise and long range are really hard to put together (Mosquito aside).
Better than a 109 won't cut it. a lot better than a 109 may not cut it. You need much, much MUCH better than the 109. Missions into much of the Soviet Union could be 600-800 miles one way without even getting close to the Urals. Doubling the internal fuel of the 109 might not be enough. P-51s with rear fuselage tanks carried over 1000 liters of fuel, granted some was burned off before the drop tanks were dropped.
while the progression from a DB 601 powered 190 (or close relative) to a DB 605 powered one isn't much of a problem the problem is what engine/s are you going to use in the long range bombers in 1941/42 if you don't have the big engines they were designed for, or the DB 606 OR the BMW 801?
Trying to power the JU 288 prototypes with BMW 801s didn't work well and trying to power that size airframe with 1200-1400hp engines is certainly not going to end well.
It took the US roughly a year to go from the 5th airframe of any given airplane to the 500th airframe. The Next 500 could be done in 6 months or less. However, once again, the changes cannot to too great or you have several months of diminished production.
It was done before 1941, 2500+ km range was no problem for He 111 (with bombs hanging out in the breeze) and Wellington I (Pegasus engines)
Bombers need to be escorted. The defensive guns also need upgrade.
Hold your horses, there is no Ural factories in 1941 (bar small factories, that is).
He 111 was a night bomber in the west after the summer of 1940. The Wellington was a night bomber after Dec 1939.
Yes the Germans need a better defensive gun set up than the Stuff they were using in the BoB. The addition of a few more MG 15s wasn't it.
The Germans tried to skip the manned power turret and jump to the remote control power barbette, in part because they wanted a pressure cabin.
A much simplified set up might have been quicker to develop.
However please take another look at soviet industry, Tankograd was located where it was due the existence of the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant (which had built 100,000 tractors by 1940) and the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant,
Chelyabinsk was about 1500 miles from the Bulgarian border, it is just over 1300 miles from Kiev. The Joint German Soviet Kama tank school was in Kazan from 1922 to 1933.
See Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works - Wikipedia for the steel plant that provided 1/2 the steel for Soviet tanks during WW II. Construction started in 1933.
Flying 1000-1500 miles into soviet airspace with 750-2000kg bomb loads with planes cruising at 300-325kph wasn't going to work very well. If you want to bomb in daylight for accuracy you are going to need much faster bombers than the He 111 and Wellington. Or lots of escorts and lots of defensive guns.
Granted there was an awful lot of industry located closer but the "Ural" bomber was a bad joke.
For an indicator of just how bad a low powered Ju 288 might be compare it to an Early B-26, Similar wing size, similar weights? Early B-26 has only one turret sticking out and pretty pointy tail. Granted it has a fat fuselage but it had 1850hp engines for take-off.
Tankograd became tankograd ('city of tanks') once the factories from Ukraine and Leningrad were evacuated there. Eleven tank- and gun-producing factories were shipped east of Moscow, most of them in the Ural region. link
Tankograd became Tankograd because there was existing industry of type compatible with tank construction. There was also the nearby steel works. They did not evacuate the arms factories to bare plots of land and build new cities near them, for the most part.
Diversion of resources into a long range bomber program (2 engine or 4 engine) is counter productive to the short fierce war the Germans need to win.
Spending large amounts of time and money in 1941 and early 42 for aircraft that will only begin to enter service in late 1942 or 1943 is not what the Germans need. Funding long term projects is hedging their bets, Total cut off is not wise but the Germans could not build a bomber force anywhere near what the British and Americans did. And Again, the British and Americans were operating over shorter distances, much shorter.
Yes, more and improved bombers would have been useful but people are calling for many more bombers and many more fighters to escort them. The Germans need to over run the western factories or get close enough to bomb them (or the railroads) before evacuation.
The germans need more air transport than they had but is also tricky. large numbers of large transports won't save cutoff German units and won't sustain panzer drives. A single Panzer division might need 200-300 tons of supplies per day. A Panzer corp with two panzer divisions and one motor rifle division could need 750 tons or more per day to continue to advance.
More light twins or 4-6 seat cabin aircraft with STOL abilities might have brought in some supplies and evacuated casualties. But might also have cut into trainer production?
The tools and structures needed for manufacture of 30-45 ton tanks were still needed, since those adequate for 1-2 ton tractors will not cut it now.
Tankograd became Tankograd because there was existing industry of type compatible with tank construction. There was also the nearby steel works. They did not evacuate the arms factories to bare plots of land and build new cities near them, for the most part.
Gorky was about 250 miles east of Moscow. The Germans managed to bomb it a number of times.
Diversion of resources into a long range bomber program (2 engine or 4 engine) is counter productive to the short fierce war the Germans need to win.
Spending large amounts of time and money in 1941 and early 42 for aircraft that will only begin to enter service in late 1942 or 1943 is not what the Germans need. Funding long term projects is hedging their bets, Total cut off is not wise but the Germans could not build a bomber force anywhere near what the British and Americans did. And Again, the British and Americans were operating over shorter distances, much shorter.
Yes, more and improved bombers would have been useful but people are calling for many more bombers and many more fighters to escort them. The Germans need to over run the western factories or get close enough to bomb them (or the railroads) before evacuation.
The Germans need more air transport than they had but is also tricky. large numbers of large transports won't save cut off German units and won't sustain panzer drives. A single Panzer division might need 200-300 tons of supplies per day. A Panzer corp with two panzer divisions and one motor rifle division could need 750 tons or more per day to continue to advance.
More light twins or 4-6 seat cabin aircraft with STOL abilities might have brought in some supplies and evacuated casualties. But might also have cut into trainer production?
When in service the He 177 was rated as having a combat radius of 1500miles/2400km with 1 ton of bombs and 1200 miles/1900km with 2 tons. There were times during the German advance they were in range of the Ural factories from the more forward areas.
The Germans needed too many things to come together at the same time and they often came late. The bomb sights may have been under development for quite some time and bomber procurement planned accordingly. But the good bomb sights and good power turrets come late for the germans, 1942 is too late to START issuing/using such items for the Germans as it takes months if not year to get large numbers in service.When it came to 1942 dive bombing was not necessary as Both the StuVi 5B dive bombing and Lotfe 7 gave almost as good accuracy as dive bombing and the He 177 entered service without dive bombing capability but with serious issues.
German mass production of transports aircraft is not adequate to the task.
1 Ju 52, too short ranged, to slow, too fuel efficient. Has good STOL and is durable. Better than nothing.
2 Fw 200 transport is produced in inadequate numbers (200) and being misused in any case as a maritime reconnaissance bomber.
3 The Ju 290 is also produced in inadequate number (70 or so) and is also being misused as a maritime reconnaissance aircraft.
4 The Ju 252 has good performance but is cancelled in favour of the underpowered Ju 352 which also ends up in token production and has poor performance.
5 Arado Ar 232. Incredible STOL capability but not produced in significant numbers.
6 He 111 is used as a transport is good and is fast enough to operate in dangerous airspace but lacks volume.
7 Siebel Si 204, about 1200 were produced. They could carry 1650kg and had a range of 1100 miles but seem to have been more of a passenger transport.
8 Gotha Go 244, few produced, vulnerable to anti aircraft fire.
What about regular transports? More and earlier Junkers Ju 52, Ju 90, Ju 252, Arado Ar 232, and Messerschmitt Me 323 might have made a difference. In particular, with its aft ramp and greater payload vs. the Ju 52, the Junkers Ju 252 looks useful.3: We need more Condors. They're transports and recon and ship killers.
Had by Dec 1940 Hitler, the general staff and RLM been fully aware of the size of the Soviet forces and their production capacity once war was declared, how could the Luftwaffe be better prepared for Barbarossa? The RLM and Luftwaffe has six months to sort out a plan.
Gorky was about 250 miles east of Moscow. The Germans managed to bomb it a number of times.
Companies like Junkers used no slave labour.
It seems no one did use slave labour, they were always used by "someone else" that is why Germany had a "labour shortage".I noticed the Disagree flag, perhaps this might jog your memory.
Taken from A Broad Field - Tempelhof Airport and its history by Prof Dr Andreas Nachama et al (Siftung Topographie des Terrors, Berlin, 2019)
Under the heading Armaments Industry and Forced Labour is the following:
"The workshops of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and the Bremen aircraft manufacturer "Weser" Flugzeugbau GmbH began operations in winter 1939/1940. In 1940, both companies began using foreign workers, mostly forced laborers. Approximately 3,000 of these workers lived in barrack camps on the airfield under degrading conditions. Others were accommodated in shared housing outside the complex. As of January 1941, prisoners of war and Berlin Jews were also forced to work on the airport grounds. The living conditions of the forced laborers were determined by the racist Nazi ideology and varied depending on the prisoners' origins."
"During World War Two, "Weser" Fluzeugbau became one of the most important manufacturers for the Luftwaffe. Its main product was the Junkers Ju 87 dive bomber (Stuka). Of the 5,215 Ju 87s produced in total by Weser, approximately 2,000 were assembled at Tempelhof."
Distortions of history begin in the most incongruous ways.