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You also have to consider that the Germans did NOT have unlimited resources and basically every 4 engine bomber is two twins NOT built. Some savings in aircrew.
IIRC the He177A5 could do 2800 miles (not kilometers) with 200kg of bombs.
Heinkel He 177 data
Unfortunately, whilst a strategic bombing force would be a lovely thing to have by 1942, I have to inject a dash of reality. For this to be achieved the entire balance of the Luftwaffe would have to have been changed from at least the mid 1930s onwards. This would require a completely different doctrine to that actually employed.
If you have your strategic bombers, do you still have the medium bombers and dive bombers that made such a huge contribution to your early 'Blitzkrieg' successes? The Luftwaffe as it was balanced in 1939/40 was almost the ideal tool, given the technical restraints of the time, to carry out the sort of operations for which it had been designed.
The pot is only so deep and you can't have it all. You might reconfigure your Luftwaffe differently only to fall flat on your face in France, 1940.
Cheers
Steve
All of this is possible before France if the Ju88 was actually in service pre-Poland and these deficiencies remedied before the BoF starts.Some 133 Ju 88s were pressed into the Blitzkrieg, but very high combat losses and accidents forced a quick withdrawal from action to re-train crews to fly this very high-performance aircraft. Some crews were reported to be more scared of the Ju 88 than the enemy, and requested a transfer to an He 111 unit.[29] By this time, major performance deficiencies in the A-1 led to an all-out effort in a major design rework. The outcome was a longer, 20.08 m (65 ft 10 1⁄2 in) wingspan, from extended rounded wing tips that had already been standardised on the A-4 version, that was deemed needed for all A-1s; thus the A-5 was born. Surviving A-1s were modified as quickly as possible, with new wings to A-5 specifications.
Considering that in the very best case scenario the strategic bombers don't enter production until mid-1941 France in 1940 would not be affected. .
This is 'what iffery'. If the Germans decide to develop a strategic bombing force in the 1930 it would require a change in doctrine which would mitigate against the development of the large medium bomber and dive bombing forces. There might be no dive bombers at all!
In your scenario the parallel development of a large four engine bomber force has no impact on the historical development of the Luftwaffe. This seems highly improbable to me. There are only limited resources and you can't have everything. You seem to be simply adding on one of the most resource intensive (in men and materiel as well as the manufacturing base) and expensive elements of any air force (strategic bombers) to the Luftwaffe at no cost to other developments whatsoever.
Cheers
Steve
In 1940, the Luftwaffe was a broadly based force with no constricting central doctrine, other than its resources should be used generally to support national strategy. It was flexible and it was able to carry out both operational, tactical and strategic bombing effectively. Flexibility was the Luftwaffe's strength in 1940. While Allied air forces in 1940 were tied to the support of the army, the Luftwaffe deployed its resources in a more general, operational way. It switched from air superiority missions, to medium-range interdiction, to strategic strikes, to close support duties depending on the need of the ground forces. In fact, far from it being a dedicated Panzer spearhead arm, less than 15 percent of the Luftwaffe was designed for close support of the army in 1939,[74] as this aspect was not its primary mission.[75]
You've still got to find the resources to develop a strategic bombing capability using a large capacity four engine bomber in the 1930s if you want it to be ready by 1941/2, presumably for operations in the East as it's already too late for meaningful operations against the UK.
This sort of force consumes immense resources and something else will have to be given up.
Where are the raw materials coming from? Where are the aircraft going to be built? Who will build them? Where are the engines coming from? Where are the crews coming from? Where is the fuel coming from? Who will support them in the field and where? etc etc
Cheers
Steve
The resources were already used historically. If we don't waste resources on over production of the Ju88 we can start cutting back on the He111 production to free up early resources for the He177, but the resources were there historically and historically spent starting in 1942. The only issue is moving it up by 6 months.Production[edit]
Eight prototypes were completed, followed by 35 pre-production He 177 A-0s (built by Arado and Heinkel) and 130 Arado-built He 177 A-1s. The early aircraft in this batch were used for further trials, and after a brief and unhappy operational debut the remainder were also withdrawn from service. From late 1942 they were replaced by 170 He 177 A-3s and 826 A-5s, both later models having 1.60 meter longer rear fuselages and slightly lengthened engine nacelles for use with the newer DB 610 "power systems".[17]
Production of the He 177 until 30 November 1944
Version EHF [18] HWO [19] ArB [20] Total Production period
Prototypes 8 8
He 177 A-0 15 15 5 35
He 177 A-1 88 42 130 January 1942 – January 1943
He 177 A-3 217 398 615 November 1942 – June 1944
He 177 A-5 71 278 349 December 1943 – August 1944
Total 23 391 723 1,137
Note - One A-0, one A-3, and two A-5 rebuilt as He 177B prototypes from before December 1943 to July 1944.[21]
an additional Heinkel-Süd facility in Schwechat, Austria, after the Anschluss in 1938.
So you would forego part of the He 111, and Ju 88 production. That will have repercussions later.
You'll also ditch the Me 210 and possibly the Bf 110. So the entire zerstorer/heavy fighter concept, so beloved of the RLM goes out the window and only single engine fighters are produced? What happens if your long range bombers need long range escorts?
The He 177 is a red herring. It was a deeply flawed design. As late as early 1942 Walter Blaist (responsible for He 177 engine testing at Rechlin) was still producing long lists of fundamental changes which should be made to this one aspect of the design alone. Two of his recommendations were accepted (moving the oil tank to a less dangerous position and complete redesign of the exhaust system).
Let's not mention the wing!
He 177s were built at Heinkel Rostock and Oranienberg and by Arado at Brandenburg/Neuendorf. I don't know where the Wiki info comes from but having a factory and having it set up to produce a particular type, notably a complex multi engine bomber, are two different things.
Incidentally one four engine bomber does not equate, in terms of materiel or labour, to two twins. Far from it.
Cheers
Steve
If I may cut in:
Our fellow member Wiking85 is a firm proponent of the Fw-187 with DB engines, so the twin engined fighter will get built in his time line. The He-177 is just a name for a heavy bomber that, in his time line, has four separate engines and, if I get it right, has no dive bomber's capabilities.
One 4-engined bomber should be more expensive than two 2-engined ones, but should also haul more bombs over same range, while using less crew per bombs carried? Provided, of course, that both 2- and 4-engined designs are armed with guns, like most of ww2 aircraft.