Disagree again! If it can't handle catapults and arresting gear, it's not an "all around" fighter. On a planet covered 70% by water, a "feet dry" only fighter is at best only half the picture.
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Disagree again! If it can't handle catapults and arresting gear, it's not an "all around" fighter. On a planet covered 70% by water, a "feet dry" only fighter is at best only half the picture.Disagree...
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Disagree again! If it can't handle catapults and arresting gear, it's not an "all around" fighter. On a planet covered 70% by water, a "feet dry" only fighter is at best only half the picture.
Disagree again! If it can't handle catapults and arresting gear, it's not an "all around" fighter. On a planet covered 70% by water, a "feet dry" only fighter is at best only half the picture.
Better check your history, son. My uncle flew TBMs off jeep carriers in the U-boat war, and a fully loaded bird REQUIRED a cat launch on a dead calm day, as the boat couldn't generate enough wind over the deck, even at full speed, for a deck run takeoff. Now, the big Essex class CVs, with their high speeds and huge flight decks didn't require catapult launches unless launching from a packed deck, but the option was there. The cats were hydraulic, not like today's steamers, and put some pretty hard shocks on the airframes. They could wear a plane out pretty quickly. Uncle Ned joked that his plane was called a "turkey", not because of its profile (the official version), but because it's wings flapped!In WW2 there were no Catapults on Carriers !
Cannot believe you even mentioned that!
"Greetings! Welcome to the Empire of the Sun! You are entering the Imperial Province of California, and must pay homage to The Emperor before proceeding. As a foreigner within The Empire, you must understand that you can no longer have any allegiance to any foreign power, but are not, and cannot be a Japanese citizen, and thus have not the rights and privileges thereof. Permission to leave can only be achieved by applying in person to the Imperial Foreign Office in Tokyo. Meanwhile, you can be accommodated here in a Foreigners Residential Camp provided for your convenience. This squad of soldiers will graciously escort you to The Commandant for enrollment.If Grumman had no aircraft I hope the USA wouldn't wait for the P-51 to start fighting in the Pacific.
Well Grumman had the F4F flying from 1937, if they didn't have any aircraft then I presume the USA was big enough and smart enough to find someone to attach a carrier capable air frame to an engine before 1942-3"Greetings! Welcome to the Empire of the Sun! You are entering the Imperial Province of California, and must pay homage to The Emperor before proceeding. As a foreigner within The Empire, you must understand that you no longer have any allegiance to any foreign power, but are not, and cannot be a Japanese citizen, and thus have not the rights and privileges thereof. Permission to leave can only be achieved by applying in person to the Imperial Foreign Office in Tokyo. Meanwhile, you can be accommodated here in a Foreigners Residential Camp provided for your convenience. This squad of soldiers will graciously escort you to The Commandant for enrollment.
Cheers,
Wes
In WW2 there were no Catapults on Carriers !
Cannot believe you even mentioned that !
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WRONG!!!!
Cannot believe you call someone out when you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Aircraft catapults existed on WW2 carriers. Take the Yorktown class for instance. It had two flight deck catapults.
If you are going to talk shit, then at least have a clue first.
Follow these steps to redeem yourself:
1. Insert foot in mouth.
2. After removing foot, proceed to apologize to Wes for the arrogance you displayed to him.
3. Do the same to the rest of the forum for all the other times.
from wiki "The Yorktowns carried a seldom-used catapult on the hangar deck. This catapult was subsequently eliminated from U.S. carriers as it was relatively useless in operation. The hangar-deck catapult was removed from Enterprise and Hornet in late June 1942. "Show me...
I am looking at the picture of the Yorktown now and see no Catapults !
Show me...
I am looking at the picture of the Yorktown now and see no Catapults !
In WW2 there were no Catapults on Carriers !
Cannot believe you even mentioned that!
Hey, no hard feelings here, guys. We all occasionally suffer from attacks of "hoof-in-mouth" disease. The taste of toe jam usually straightens us out for awhile. Then the memory grows dim and we do it again.WRONG!!!!
Cannot believe you call someone out when you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Hey, no hard feelings here, guys. We all occasionally suffer from attacks of "hoof-in-mouth" disease. The taste of toe jam usually straightens us out for awhile. Then the memory grows dim and we do it again.
Cheers,
Wes
Very cool. I had always thought the ww2 catapults were also steam, I guess I just thought that by default as ive seen so many more modern launches by steam and never stopped to think ww2 era might have been different.Better check your history, son. My uncle flew TBMs off jeep carriers in the U-boat war, and a fully loaded bird REQUIRED a cat launch on a dead calm day, as the boat couldn't generate enough wind over the deck, even at full speed, for a deck run takeoff. Now, the big Essex class CVs, with their high speeds and huge flight decks didn't require catapult launches unless launching from a packed deck, but the option was there. The cats were hydraulic, not like today's steamers, and put some pretty hard shocks on the airframes. They could wear a plane out pretty quickly. Uncle Ned joked that his plane was called a "turkey", not because of its profile (the official version), but because it's wings flapped!
I've ridden through a deck run takeoff (the Lex, in an ancient, overloaded C1), and with the boat at flank speed we used most of that 900 foot deck. "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can....", as those 1820s rattle and clatter and vibrate like they're fixing to come apart at the seams. A whole body experience.
Cheers,
Wes
Gawd, those CVEs are tiny! That fat merchant ship hull with its puny powerplant is throwing quite a wake and still can't get enough wind over the deck.
Ok what year was this...?We are awaiting your apology. After that read a book and actually learn something.
Hydraulic catapults enter Navy service 1934 - Patriots Point News & Events
Catapult Type H, Mark 8
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Below is a pic of a catapult launch from the Yorktown. The catapult can clearly be seen. Below it is the Enterprise, clearly showing the catapult.
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Ok what year was this...?