Is Spitfire relly superior to FW-190?

the lancaster kicks ass · May 16, 2005

along with actually have a good enough aim to hit the other guy.......

cheddar cheese · May 16, 2005

Unless you abide by the "Spray and Pray" ruling

FLYBOYJ · May 16, 2005

the lancaster kicks ass said:
along with actually have a good enough aim to hit the other guy.......

That's fighter Pilot 102

the lancaster kicks ass · May 16, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

Well I would go with a 190 over a Spit. In the beginning the 190A was superior to the Spit in just about anyway. Later on the Spit took the 190 however when the 190D came out, the Spit never regained superiority. It would give a 190D a good run for its money, but the 190D was just a class above the Spit. The Spit still being a great aircraft though.

cheddar cheese · May 16, 2005

I think Ill agree with that.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

I just personally think that the Spit, Me-109, P-51, Fw-190A, P-38, Tempest, all belong in the top class group. While the P-51D, Fw-190D, P-38 and Tempest belong in the Top of the top class.

cheddar cheese · May 16, 2005

That I can agree with. However the Spitfire does need to be in the "Top of the Top" group too.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

I dont know. It would be close.

plan_D · May 16, 2005

I think it should be in the "Top of the Top" because the Spitfire Mk.XIV was superior to the Fw-190A in almost every way.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

Yes but if you see I put the Fw-190A in the same cattagory as the Spit, but I put the Fw-190D in the Top of the Top.

Soren · May 16, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
I just personally think that the Spit, Me-109, P-51, Fw-190A, P-38, Tempest, all belong in the top class group. While the P-51D, Fw-190D, P-38 and Tempest belong in the Top of the top class.

I would rate the Spit XIV, Bf-109G10-14, F4U-4 Corsair and Fw-190D at the Top of the top fighters. (Were talking fighters here right ?)

I can't see how the P-51, P-38 or Tempest can be along with the Top of the top fighters, as all of the above would trash each and everyone of these in a dogfight. (The P-51H is another matter though, but sadly it came too late)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

The P-38 could fly just as well as the Fw-190D. The Tempest was a damn good aircraft. The 109G could not turn as well as a Spit and the Spit was not as good as a Fw-190D. Thats why.

Soren · May 16, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
The P-38 could fly just as well as the Fw-190D.

What ?! Seriusly Adler, that is ludacris ! The P-38 is surrounded by mystery; some say it turned very well, some say it could barely turn.

In any case the roll rate of the P-38 was pathetic, and in theory so was its turn rate. (Although some will dispute this)

The Tempest was a damn good aircraft.

Ground attack aircraft, yes, but not a good fighter !

The 109G could not turn as well as a Spit

The Bf-190G10-14 could very well turn with a Spit XIV, and vice versa, as they were approximately equal in this kind of fighting, except at very slow speed where the Spit was much inferior.

and the Spit was not as good as a Fw-190D. Thats why.

The Spit XIV was certainly not inferior to the Dora-9 ! They were different in qualities, but about equal in overall dogfighting capability.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

Soren said:
What ?! Seriusly Adler, that is ludacris ! The P-38 is surrounded by mystery; some say it turned very well, some say it could barely turn.

Some would say the same things about the Fw-190D.

Soren said:
Ground attack aircraft, yes, but not a good fighter !

Where did I say anything about fighter? I said damn good aircraft.

Soren · May 16, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Some would say the same things about the Fw-190D.

That was until aerodynamics proved them wrong.

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Where did I say anything about fighter? I said damn good aircraft.

Sorry Adler, I was under the impression that we were talking about the Top fighters of WW2, as I highlighted in my previus post(s).

DerAdlerIstGelandet · May 16, 2005

No prob, I was just talking about my tops.

And as proving them wrong, can you please continue with this.

Soren · May 16, 2005

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
And as proving them wrong, can you please continue with this.

Power-loading, lift-loading, and varius other things. One very important thing wich is often forgotten is the reason why the Dora-9's tail section was extended from the "A" series. This was done for improving all-round maneuverability at high speeds, and it improved the 190's center of gravity aswell, futher improving horizontal maneuverability.

delcyros · May 16, 2005

Both are comparable planes,
the 190A had an advantage ove the MK V when it was introduced, the MK IX was somehow comparable to the A-4/-6/-8 it faced and the MK IVX was comparable to the D-9. However at this time the Luftwaffe suffered from secondaries (fuel, training degree and so on..), which decreased the capabilities of the D-9. With this in mind, the benefits of the MK IVX weight more and so I rate the Spit slightly (if even) better than the D-9.But ech plane has advantages of it´s own. A really classic combination.

lesofprimus · May 17, 2005

One very important thing wich is often forgotten is the reason why the Dora-9's tail section was extended from the "A" series. This was done for improving all-round maneuverability at high speeds, and it improved the 190's center of gravity aswell, futher improving horizontal maneuverability.

It was extended because the nose was extended to allow the larger engine..........

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