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"Palestinian owned land,..." that has been in dispute for at least 3,000 years. The displaced people from Palestine could have been taken in by Egypt and other Arab countries but it suited their purpose to keep them displaced so they could be used as pawns.And a lot of the grievance is justified on both sides. I am no lover of the Palestinians but when Israelis enter Palestinian owned land, squat on it and then the government steals it and gives it to the squatters that is always going to cause problems.
How would you react if that land was your land and had been in your family- usually for generations.
That said I generally support the Israelis.
Just words are what have brought us to this point. I remember seeing a tee-shirt many years ago that was emblazoned with the words "Kill 'em all- let God sort 'em out!" I'm afraid this is not a far-fetched reaction to what the Iranians, Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah and others have perpetrated.
USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) is in the region for support of Israël.
While I agree your basic comment, I would clarify that the only path (IMO) to solve the 'grievances peacefully' is a.) Israelis leave, b.) Palestinians leave.. which clearly for 70 years have been non-starters.I had thought it so obvious that the dialogue had to be constructive that I didn't need to specify that in detail.. I was clearly wrong,.
Needless to say, I disagree with your premise that "just words are what has brought us to this point." I'd argue it's been things from both sides like killings and dispossessions and the erection of what is essentially an apartheid state -- along with a refusal to try to resolve grievances peacefully-- is what has brought about this situation.
While I agree your basic comment, I would clarify that the only path (IMO) to solve the 'grievances peacefully' is a.) Israelis leave, b.) Palestinians leave.. which clearly for 70 years have been non-starters.
Solvable By 'peaceful means'?That ain't gonna happen. Translated, your opinion essentially means this is insoluble.
An Israeli final solution to the Palestinian problem, so to speak.If the Israelis had one wish, it would be for the Palestinians 'just be gone - somewhere, anywhere but here
Solvable By 'peaceful means'?
IMO, No.
All generations from infant to elder essentially hate each other. I've watched this Greek Tragedy with varying degrees of scrutiny for nearly 70 years and I haven't seen different postures from "You leave, you took what was ours" from both sides. Every other position (IMO) has been posturing for the camera and funding.
If the Israelis had one wish, it would be for the Palestinians 'just be gone - somewhere, anywhere but here'. If the Palestinians/Hamas had their wish it would be 'every Israeli be dead - now, but preferably painfully'.
If he has to go there, thank him in advance from me please. Wish him well, from a guy he never saw or knows.My son's unit is sending a detachment to the Med --planned before this broke out.
If he has to go there, thank him in advance from me please. Wish him well, from a guy he never saw or knows.
That are the ones one can carry as a talisman.
There is no moral equivalency in this conflict. You simply cannot negotiate with those whose aim is to kill you. Negotiate to what end? Maybe not killed- only seriously wounded? Strength is the only thing that keeps evil at bay.I had thought it so obvious that the dialogue had to be constructive that I didn't need to specify that in detail. I was clearly wrong,.
Needless to say, I disagree with your premise that "just words are what has brought us to this point." I'd argue it's been things from both sides like killings and dispossessions and the erection of what is essentially an apartheid state -- along with a refusal to try to resolve grievances peacefully-- is what has brought about this situation.
Extermination? Hardly- just resettlement in other countries.But those other countries crying crocodile tears over the fate of the Palestinians don't want them in their countries, they are too valuable as pawns in their game.An Israeli final solution to the Palestinian problem, so to speak.
Resettlement WAS the first choice of what the Germans called the Jewish problem. And the Germans at the time nearly mirrored your exact sentiment above, essentially, "those other countries crying crocodile tears over the fate of the (Jews) don't want them in their countries".Extermination? Hardly- just resettlement in other countries.But those other countries crying crocodile tears over the fate of the Palestinians don't want them in their countries…
Extermination? Hardly- just resettlement in other countries.But those other countries crying crocodile tears over the fate of the Palestinians don't want them in their countries, they are too valuable as pawns in their game.
There is no moral equivalency in this conflict. You simply cannot negotiate with those whose aim is to kill you. Negotiate to what end? Maybe not killed- only seriously wounded? Strength is the only thing that keeps evil at bay.
Befriending a tiger will not help you when it comes time for dinner.Resettlement WAS the first choice of what the Germans called the Jewish problem. And the Germans at the time nearly mirrored your exact sentiment above, essentially, "those other countries crying crocodile tears over the fate of the (Jews) don't want them in their countries".
There are only two paths for Israel. One, fully integrate the Palestinians into society as equal citizens of Israel, and work to erase the poverty, purposelessness, and despair that drives extremism. Two, round up every Palestinian and push them into Jordan, Egypt, etc. or follow Idi Amin's expulsion of IndoAfricans by giving them all a deadline to leave - Pakistan is doing this now to Afghans. Essentially an Israel version of the Madagascar Plan - Wikipedia.
My vote is for the first, it's the only hope. Israel must come to terms that it is a multiethnic, multi-theistic country. It's not just the homeland for Jews.
As I said before, this territory has been in dispute for at least 3,000 years. When more than one people call it "home" it is a recipe for conflict. Does anyone remember that it was the UN that created this present problem?To play devils advocate here (I'm not saying this is what I support). Why should they be resettled from a place that they have called home for centuries, long before the country of Israel existed?
Maybe there is a very simple solution here. Split the country and create the nation if Palestine out of the former Palestinian Territories that existed before the creation of Israel and the 1967 war.
Again, I'm not saying this is what I support per se, and I have my doubts it would work to begin with. I do think it is worthy of serious consideration as a possible solution though.